jenny mccarthy wants your kid to get measles: autism, vaccines, and stupid idiots

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http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/02/safeminds-response-to-autism-omnibus-court-decision.html

Ugh I was reading a women's mag the other day and it had this several-page article on young up and coming slebs doing good work, charity etc. Amongst people working with the UN and whatnot was this fucking cow, with an article going on about her work against vaccines "due to an additive in them that is believed to cause autism".

The fact these falsehoods get so casually spread about in the general media and lauded as someone doing good is so disappointing.

that comments section is filled with straight up RETARDS

/pipecock

"yes, i am doing my part by ruining science and the health of children in general"

i hope this particular conspiracy theory is more 9/11 truthers and less jfk w/r/t how much it permeates mainstream opinion

I think having actual findings out there that are like 'srsly this will not curb autism, it will just help your kids get deadly diseases' will stop people who were on the fence about it & maybe make the crazies seem like they are indeed crazies.

oh goody comments! there weren't any when i posted that

Wow, I'm generally jaded about net.cranks but the ageofautism.com commenters really do makes the Above Top Secret forums look like William F. Buckley

Oh the temptation to go there and post "dont come crying to anyone when your child dies of a measles complication". So... want ... to.

Do we trust them now to take care of our kids? PLUEEZ.

PLUEEZ

Where does this "surge in autism" come from anyway? I dont know *anyone* with autistic kids, but I know plenty of self-diagnosed geek twits telling anyone who'll listen that they're aspie.

Age o' Fautuism

trayce i doubt that comment would get past their mod police, i imagine they only allow certain types to get past (imo)

i.e. ones that support their opinion

haha if you posted an antagonistic comment i'm sure you'd get an email in reply saying "YOUR I.P ADDRESS HAS BEEN LOGGED!!!!!"

There is no surge in autism, I believe there is a general rise in cases but this does not coincide with the introduction of MMR.

and your field of expertise is....

Blog reading!

The Internet, M.D.

; D

everyone's area of expertise is anecdotal evidence

lolz =)

Yeah TBH we're as bad as they are cos we go on what we read but at least its the bloody Lancet.

http://www.mwscomp.com/mpfc/tfgumby.gif

Brain specialist, yesterday.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with considering first-person accounts as long as you bear in mind there are 8 billion of them.

i read the abstract of a paper that suggested the 'general rise' in autism has to do with the public awareness of the importance of folate levels in expectant mothers, the widespread supplementaion of which led to more full term births of infants with certain brain disorders??

BAHAHA Trayce.

"No, the brain in your HEAD."

Oh man, elmo, that means my 'Folic Acid is for Everyone' shirt is responsible for all this.

I don't know what distinction you're making, but I think the documented rise in diagnoses is what people are referring to when they say "surge."

(Obviously there are whole discussions to be had about whether it's not better diagnosed -- as in "caught more often" -- or overdiagnosed or whether there's actually a higher incidence.)

^^ sorry, that was to ledge

lol see for those anti-vaccination rocket scientists it's much easier to point to something as tangible as an INJECTION of a FOREIGN SUBSTANCE

We talked about that upthread, how autism is diagnosed at an age where the only real child-related events people can point to are gestation, birth, and vaccination

Yeah I am assuming its not that theres more autism but rather more "oh this is autism" diagnoses rather than "oh the kids retarded".

rather rather rather

Obviously there are whole discussions to be had about whether it's not better diagnosed -- as in "caught more often" -- or overdiagnosed or whether there's actually a higher incidence.

― nabisco

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I don't know what distinction you're making, but I think the documented rise in diagnoses is what people are referring to when they say "surge."

ok, I was presuming 'surge' is used to imply a specific, large, and unprecedented rise, since the introduction of MMR; instead of a gradual rise since, like, whenever, probably.

I do not see a way to lower profits for Pharma anymore. I see this is a gold mine for both Pharma and the vaccine court's fund. I see a mad rush of parents that may have been on the fence, to the doctor for "catch-up" shots. The vary same thing that put My Liam over the edge. I can not express my sadness.

Posted by: Matt Flynn | February 12, 2009 at 05:08 PM

Matt's link goes to this http://www.sophisticatering.com/

Where does this "surge in autism" come from anyway? I dont know *anyone* with autistic kids, but I know plenty of self-diagnosed geek twits telling anyone who'll listen that they're aspie.

Things seemed to hit critical mass when this article appeared in Wired in 2001. If memory serves, I believe this was the first time I heard of Asperger's.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aspergers.html

I remember a lot of autism talk following Bill Gates' rather unsettling testimony to Congress during the Microsoft anti-trust hearings.

OK, the neurodiversity movement is kinda weird

http://nymag.com/news/features/47225/

Gates was born ambidextrous, so he has lots of issues.

pretty sure the autism explosion is due to changing diagnostic practices, not to an actual increase in incidence

...which i'm also sure that someone has pointed out upthread?

i read the abstract of a paper that suggested the 'general rise' in autism has to do with the public awareness of the importance of folate levels in expectant mothers, the widespread supplementaion of which led to more full term births of infants with certain brain disorders??

― obi don quixote (elmo argonaut), Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:52 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

this, btw, is similar to increasing rates of cancer: the longer we live, the more likely we are to get cancer. better healthcare/lifestyles ---> higher rates of cancer

would be curious to see a retroactive study of post-war psych diagnoses (say, PTSD/depression) corrected for the fact that soldier mortality rates are so much lower (ie - we can save pretty much anyone's life on the battlefield now). impossible, i know

BAH I hate the argument that vaccines are a big profit $$$ for pharmaceutical companies (and that's the only reason health experts and national organizations want us to get them). Surprise _ Increased Spending on Drugs Is Linked to More Advertising, and it's not MMR vaccines that are getting double-page spreads in Newsweek every week.

Sales increases of the 50 most advertised drugs made up almost half of the $21 billion growth in retail spending on prescription drugs from 1999 to 2000, NIHCM found. The 9,850 other drugs on the market accounted for the rest of the 12-month rise. Prescriptions for these 50 drugs rose by 25 percent in the same period, compared with a 4.3 percent increase for all other drugs combined.

I don't know why I am arguing this to you sane people but OTOH it is interesting.

That's from this AARP, which is good too.

Can't find anything about it on the Coast To Coast AM site, but Ian wrote this in his blog:

IP: "Freely"
Monday, February 9, 2009, 12:33 AM CST (General)

by Ian Punnett

Update! For years I have maintained an open mind on the claim that childhood vaccines either introduce or trigger autism in toddlers that previously had shown no signs of being autistic. Many a past radio guest has presented what seem like credible evidence and at least anecdotal testimony that the traditional MMR vaccines cause autism, period, and that people ought to refuse to have their children vaccinated just to be safe.

While I think I gave all those claims a fair airing, in the end, my wife and I decided that the risks outweighed the benefits in favor of the shots and so our boys immunized. Other than being cursed to be my sons, they are developmentally normal in ever way. I have never regretted immunizing my children. Tonight, I have never been so grateful...