Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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can ya sneak a photo? does anybody have a cameraphone?

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

so i vandalized a car at work today... (26 matching messages)

President Busch (dr g), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

I have no idea!

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

No digital camera.. No cam on my cell...

There could very well be a news item on this tonight... although this is just a car vandalization after all. News may be slow here, but not that slow.

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

so i vandalized a car at work today... (26 matching messages)

Hahahahaha!

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

"he better hope he gets impeached before someone assassinates his ass"

New slogan/tee shirt

Ian in Brooklyn, Friday, 2 September 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

You don't have a roommate named Tyler Durdin, do ya Donut?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

NEWT GINGRICH OTM!

More like, Newt Gingrich on the campaign trail. But yeah, even that tells you something.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

You don't have a roommate named Tyler Durdin, do ya Donut?

That explains all the noise in the basement whenever I've visited.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

on cnn.com:

The big disconnect on New Orleans
The official version; then there's the in-the-trenches version

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html

[insert snarky comment about holding press conferences to state how well you're handling emergencies in an age of digital cameras and blogs]

lyra (lyra), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

An amusement:

Dreher on the Corner -- he was extremely annoyed with Bush speeches earlier in the week:

ANARCHY, AGAIN. [Rod Dreher]
Heard just now from an old journalism school friend, now living in Atlanta, who sent the following desperate message by e-mail: I am hoping you can help. I am friends with a NOPD police officer Elizabeth Garcia. Things are MUCH MUCH worse in New Orleans. The inmates took over Central Lock up in New Orleans and took over the armory. They are targeting police and the police are under seige. She and 9 other police officers are running out of ammuntion and are being held down at the Hampton Inn across from the Convention Center. She just got her cell phone access and is calling everyone she knows to get out the information. They need assistance immediately. Please help in any way you can.

I called my friend just now to verify this. She said things have improved a bit since she sent the mail earlier this morning. She said that she got it to CNN, who relayed it to authorities. My friend, Lee, said that she spoke by phone to Officer Garcia (who can't call anybody locally, but who can call out of the 504 and 225 area codes), who said the criminal gangs have automatic weaponry because they looted the police armory. According to Lee, Ofc. Garcia told her that the police can't help people because "anybody in a uniform is being targeted" by these gangs. NOPD is receiving reports of children being raped and killed by these thugs, but they are outgunned and powerless. "It's complete and total anarchy," Lee quoted Ofc. Garcia as saying.

I ask you: WHERE IS THE ARMY? WHY ARE WE LEAVING THESE AMERICANS TO SUFFER AND POSSIBLY DIE? Honestly, folks, I cannot believe federal authorities are leaving these police officers and civilians to this. Is this America, or Somalia? The government has failed. Is failing. It is an outrage.

Lopez trying to run flack:

I THINK, ROD [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
That would be part of what the troops rolling in will be handling, I'd imagine. The local government appears to have failed in very many ways. And the federal government and many private organizations are working to pick up the slack. But I don't know it's the right time to declare "mission failed" here. More like "must be done better." Terrible things are happening, but broken record me: I think that message has gotten across. I hope your cop gets reenforcement quick. And no local government in the U.S. is ever as ineffectual as this one seems, especially in the face of widespread disaster and dismay.

Lopez a little while later (Derbyshire and Podhoretz have also trashed Bush's actions/reactions this week):

THIS ONE'S FOR YOU, DICK CHENEY [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
An e-mail came in this afternoon:

Subject: Pollyanna + Apologist = Kathyn Jean Lopez

Rod, Derb, and JPod are the only ones left with any sense.

The e-mail address ends in halliburton.com.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

"it seems to me that every time a bad person wants to scream of cause a problem, there's somebody there with a camera to stick it in their face."

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

NEWT GINGRICH OTM!
More like, Newt Gingrich on the campaign trail. But yeah, even that tells you something.

yeah, i'm sure it's just distancing at this point, but still the fact that he feels that comfortable breaking ranks is noteworthy..plus that particular statement was (scarily) probably 100% true.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html

I like how CNN just uses the word "clueless" as a matter of course:

(See video of CNN asking why FEMA is clueless about conditions -- 2:11)

already disheveled hair projection (wetmink), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

Also, even if you don't think Sullivan is worth paying attention to, read his posts today. And forward it to anybody who needs it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

The Clueless-In-Chief
by kos
Fri Sep 2nd, 2005 at 13:39:59 PDT
This would be funny if we weren't talking about real suffering. From this CNN video of Bush in Biloxi. Bush is talking to two sobbing African-American women who have lost their house, and a white guy:

Bush to women: "There's a Salvation Army center that I want to, that I'll tell you where it is, and they'll get you some help. I'm sorry.... They'll help you.....
Woman 1: "I came here looking for clothes..."
Bush: "They'll get you some clothes, at the Salvation Army center..."
Woman 1: "We don't have anything..."
Bush: "I understand.... Do you know where the center is, that I'm talking to you about?"
Guy with shades: "There's no center there, sir, it's a truck."
Bush: "There's trucks?"
Guy: "There's a school, a school about two miles away....."
Bush: "But isn't there a Salvation center down there?"
Guy: "No that's wiped out...."
Bush: "A temporary center? "
Guy: "No sir they've got a truck there, for food."
Bush: "That's what I'm saying, for food and water."
Bush turns to the sister who's been saying how she needs clothes.
Bush to sister: "You need food and water."
Damn, it reads like a Saturday Night Live skit.

Ian in Brooklyn, Friday, 2 September 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

I don't, PP.. I'm afraid to ask.. who is Tyl3r Durd1n?

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

I am married to Frank Discussion of the Feederz though.. it's an open bi-sexual marriage, of course.

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

fight club, donut

you guys don't know newt very well if you think he's always been about crowing the party line. i mean, i don't like the fucker, but he's not a goosestepping aparatchik or whatever they were called. and there's no way he's ever running for anything ever again.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Newt is a has been so at this point he can pretty much say what he wants.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Redundant but worth requoting Sullivan's post here:

NO, KEVIN: Kevin Drum wants to say that the difference between conservatives and liberals is that liberals believe in funding organizations like FEMA or the Corps of Engineers and conservatives don't. Nuh-huh. Real conservatives believe that the state should do a few things that no one else can do - defense, decent public education, police, law and order among the most obvious - and leave the rest to individuals. Funding FEMA and having a superb civil defense are very much part of conservatism's real core. It's when government decides to reshape society, redistribute wealth, socially engineer, and take over functions that the private sector can do just as well that conservatives draw the line. The reason I'm mad as hell over Katrina is precisely because I'm a conservative and this kind of thing is exactly what government is for. Bush in this sense is not now and never has been a conservative. A man who explodes government spending but can't run a war or organize basic civil defense is simply a fiscally reckless incompetent. If this were a parliamentary system, we'd have a vote of no confidence. Instead we have three years of more peril.

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Ah, well I've avoided Fight Club, given my stupid panic attack hoonja doonja thing when it comes to violence in movies.

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Ironically, I got sucked looking at real horror via this tragedy... (although the corpse in the lawn chair pic was a turning point for me.)

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

(sucked INTO... although I'm more than happy for the above to be the setup for dirty jokes. I'm more than welcome to rawffles at this point.)

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

hey Donut, are the guys in Bungie Software up there in Redmond now? did you see what they're going to help?

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

Donut, I don't think you'd be able to watch it, but you might (might) like the novel. That said, it feels like a period piece now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

What is the character kicking on the t-shirt?

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

IT'S KICKING FLOOD ASS

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Newt is a has been so at this point he can pretty much say what he wants.

Everybody knows this but Newt. I agree that he doesn't have a prayer of winning anything, and might not even actually run, but he's very much paving the way for a potential candidacy in '08. He's all but confirmed that he's considering it.

But whatever his motivations, I also agree that he's always been capable of the occasional burst of off-the-reservation candor.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/homepage/hp9-2-05g.jpg

"Feeling the pressure, Bush confers with Tom Green on what to do next."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Tha that what a flood looks like?

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Now-homeless guy: "Everything I've ever known is lost."

Bush: "zzz..."

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

"You know. Tom....I didn't think Freddie Got Fingered was all that bad...I understand, man...making movies is hard work."

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

rofflez

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

Bush: *checks watch*

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

in the article referenced above, note the use of the passive tense in the headline:

Bush: Response to Katrina Was Mishandled

By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer
6 minutes ago

NEW ORLEANS - Scorched by criticism about sluggish federal help, President Bush acknowledged the government's failure to stop lawlessness and help desperate people in New Orleans.

"The results are not enough," Bush said Friday in the face of mounting complaints from Republicans and Democrats alike.

Remember, Brownie's doing a great job!

oh yeah, and dig this quote:

"Where it's not working right, we're going to make it right," the president said after walking through a devastated neighborhood of Mobile, Ala. "Where it is working right, we're going to duplicate it elsewhere."

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

we've mentioned this, right?

note the fine print(as it were):

There will be a special introduction by WABC's Sean Hannity and tickets go on sale this Tuesday, 9/6 at 10am. All tickets are $77 (plus fees) and are available by calling Ticketmaster at 212-307-7171 or just check back here.

hey, i guess Ticketmaster gotta pay their rent, too, right?

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

Cafferty on CNN today: Do you suppose, Wolf, that the arrival of the relief convoys and the political photo ops on the Gulf Coast happening at the same time were a coincidence today?

C&L vid here (server still probably overloaded)

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

Asshole's on the television now.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Friday, 2 September 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

just in case people didn't know about this other refugee situation in the south...Clinton had to deal with riots at Ft. Chaffee and tensions between refugees and residents, and did so despite foot-dragging on the part of the federal government. He has said that Carter's decision to put more refugees into Ft. Chaffee after he said he wouldn't was a big part of his losing Arkansas' electoral votes in the 1980 election. Just some interesting historical notes...

teeny (teeny), Friday, 2 September 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

"There's a flow of progress."
"They're making good progress."
Um, bullshit.

"I'm gonna fly out of here in a moment."

"I believe the town where I used to come to from Houston, to enjoy myself -- sometimes a little bit too much -- will be rebuilt."

Hey, Ray Nagin's with him -- wait, no more press conferences?

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Friday, 2 September 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

hmmm... bush is saying that he went to visit the 17th street levee and that people have been working around the clock on fixing it. but mayor nagin said last night that when he was over there he didn't see ANY evidence of progress being made.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 September 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

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gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

in other news, my drummer said that he didn't want to donate to the Red Cross or the United Way because "they keep the money."

he's a nice guy from lexington, but he's a drummer and an art student-type, so he's just a bit off. i had to restrain myself from yelling at him over the phone. i should have sent him this link

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

We don't need another Nero.

Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Friday, 2 September 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

give.org has information on how charity money is distributed.
http://give.org/news/katrina.asp

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 September 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Aren't Sullivan's comments pretty much the CYA commonsense and hardly worth noting? It's when conservatives pat themselves on the back after supporting everything that's contributed to the problem in the first place (that is, dismantling the welfare state, etc.) that I'm most infuriated. More to the point, I'm equally disappointed that it's impossible for Democrats to mobilize on this issue nationally because of their complicity, which is why we're finally hearing from the personae non grata in the Black Caucus.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Friday, 2 September 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Hm, that Nero thing is now my aim icon.

Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Friday, 2 September 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

In other news, IEM, Inc. a Baton Rouge-based private emergency management company is busy redacting as many files as possible.

Remember my earlier point that disaster management in New Orleans had been privatised, the 'catastrophic hurricane disaster plan' having been handed over to Baton Rouge-based Innovative Emergency Management last year? Watching this nightmare unfold, I've been wondering why no fucking one is asking what exactly IEM got paid for.

It's turning out to be very hard to find out, for rather startling reasons.

In my first post on this, I quoted their original press release:

IEM, Inc., the Baton Rouge-based emergency management and homeland security consultant, will lead the development of a catastrophic hurricane disaster plan for Southeast Louisiana and the City of New Orleans under a more than half a million dollar contract with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security/Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

(continued at the link...)

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 2 September 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand something. Everyone thinks it's so cool that Anderson Cooper is sniffling and whimpering on his show, even in taped pieces, but it's okay to make fun of a picture of the president praying?

Scratch that. Make fun of the president all you want. But teasing a hurricane victim based on his appearance is a bit low.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 2 September 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)


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