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i think it's gonna be really slow! like 2/2s for 2 being unplayable slow

ciderpress, Monday, 15 April 2013 14:08 (thirteen years ago)

in which case card evaluations for gatecrash change a ton, RTR not quite as much

ciderpress, Monday, 15 April 2013 14:11 (thirteen years ago)

yeah in GTC stuff like Gutter Skulk or Sage's Row Denizen were very maindeckable (even if Sage's Row ability didn't help you at all). this is gonna be a complicated format.

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2013 14:26 (thirteen years ago)

in fact just now I realized that Aurelia allows you to activate Batallion twice

Heh, one of the best parts of Magic is little realizations like that. When I figured out that Harrow gave two instant-speed Landfall activations, I was very happy.

Vinnie, Monday, 15 April 2013 14:27 (thirteen years ago)

the ridiculous synergy between Ooze Flux and Evolve creatures is another good one

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2013 14:32 (thirteen years ago)

wow, the Boros mythic is yet another anti-Wrath card. doesn't feel like a Mythic at all. the Gruul one does however and is probably my favorite card spoiled so far.

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2013 16:30 (thirteen years ago)

sheesh I thought the card was good before I read 'double strike'

iatee, Monday, 15 April 2013 16:32 (thirteen years ago)

i'm a little confused as to why the Boros one exiles itself - unless there's a degenerate combo there it doesn't seem to do anything but confuse people as to whether or not the enchantment itself comes back (I'm pretty sure it doesn't, but it's kinda ambiguous)

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2013 16:40 (thirteen years ago)

it doesn't, it would be too strong if it did. I think it does mostly for flavor reasons.

iatee, Monday, 15 April 2013 16:41 (thirteen years ago)

like it's 'replacing' the exiled creatures

iatee, Monday, 15 April 2013 16:41 (thirteen years ago)

if it replaced itself it would be kinda unbeatable i think.

Reggie (Lamp), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:54 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah it would be worded differently if they wanted that effect. Seems worse than a Boros Charm to me honestly.

Vinnie, Monday, 15 April 2013 17:00 (thirteen years ago)

i think that depends on how many people start running terminus again.

Reggie (Lamp), Monday, 15 April 2013 17:02 (thirteen years ago)

boros card looks kind of like a bad boros charm at first and then you start thinking about it and it gets more and more ridiculous

ciderpress, Monday, 15 April 2013 17:17 (thirteen years ago)

it seems like getting the timing right on it could be tricky

Moodles, Monday, 15 April 2013 17:23 (thirteen years ago)

i think you want to play it in a deck that can use it aggressively, not just reactively. rebuy your thragtusk and angel triggers, give your lategame play haste to get in for lethal, even blink your guys out EoT to wrath your opponent's board during your first main before they come back. plus it's a mediocre anthem until you want to use it, which is okay for 2 mana.

ciderpress, Monday, 15 April 2013 17:29 (thirteen years ago)

it also lets you attack 3 times in a turn with aurelia heh

ciderpress, Monday, 15 April 2013 17:30 (thirteen years ago)

that thing is disgusting with Thragtusk

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2013 17:40 (thirteen years ago)

rebuy your thragtusk and angel triggers

s0 boring though

Reggie (Lamp), Monday, 15 April 2013 17:45 (thirteen years ago)

yeah i mean i'm not gonna be playing it but i think it has a lot of potential in midrange decks

ciderpress, Monday, 15 April 2013 18:01 (thirteen years ago)

Eh, it's possible, but flicker effects have tended not to get used unless they do something good on their own (like Resto). Ghostway saw almost no play, for a slightly higher cost. Even pw Venser was barely played. The anthem effect doesn't really help the midrange decks that would want to blink their own creatures. Though I do think the environment for a mass flicker effect is better now than it was during Ghostway's time, with ridiculous shit like Thragtusk.

Vinnie, Monday, 15 April 2013 20:19 (thirteen years ago)

I like the card best in an aggro deck to dodge Wrath, but Boros Charm does that and more. If Terminus or Merciful Eviction raise in popularity, it looks better, and I guess if the aggro decks start adding more creatures with ETB effects, it gets even better.

Vinnie, Monday, 15 April 2013 20:21 (thirteen years ago)

boros charm also doesn't have to be in play annoucing that it's dodging the next wrath

iatee, Monday, 15 April 2013 20:22 (thirteen years ago)

announcment or no there's still no real substitute for a wrath effect

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 04:06 (thirteen years ago)

i really like the golgari mythic

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 05:58 (thirteen years ago)

Seance was my favorite card in Innistrad block so maybe this'll pull me back into Standard. I love how the "mill 10" effect both enables it and prevents it from being too degenerate.

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 13:02 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah Chant is my kind of card, love it. Has the possibility of getting broken, but it's just a really cool card on its own.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 13:44 (thirteen years ago)

It definitely has the feeling of something that could be degenerate but I think in R&D's world if it costs 6 mana then it's not really a concern. In general cards like that have a clause like "whenever a card is put into your graveyard, exile it", but since this doesn't, something like Harvest Pyre + Time Warp would be an infinite combo. Oh wow I just realized that Harvest Pyre and Boros Reckoner are both legal in Standard right now.

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 13:52 (thirteen years ago)

did you not watch the last pro tour? in the very first standard feature match someone busted that combo out on camera and no one had seen it yet and there was a pretty great 'WTF' reaction

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 14:12 (thirteen years ago)

i don't think chant can get broken at 6cmc. i do think there's slight combo potential but a combo with a 6cmc piece isn't going to be 'broken' even in standard

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 14:14 (thirteen years ago)

spoiler season really brings home that there are so many magic cards i will never, ever cast

Reggie (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 17:00 (thirteen years ago)

that's true for me for constructed, but i've cast almost every card released in the past 2 years in limited

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 17:12 (thirteen years ago)

yeah i meant it more re: standard although there are a lot of GTC cards i never cast. i got bored of GTC too fast and kinda gave up on it before i started exploring. i cast something like 85% of all cards in M13 and RTR though at least once. i think i still have a list of RTR cards i never cast on my computer at home and most of what i was missing were mythics i never managed to open

Reggie (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 17:14 (thirteen years ago)

yeah i stopped keeping those lists, but i think i ended up hitting everything in rtr except armada wurm which i never opened. plus a few really trashy cards like racecourse fury and urban burgeoning

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 17:20 (thirteen years ago)

gatecrash i've probably played all the non-terrible commons/uncommons and most of the rares, but yeah i drafted it like half as much as the previous few formats

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 17:21 (thirteen years ago)

for some reason i'm more excited than usual about the retro draft week before new set release even though they haven't announced what set it is yet. i'm just praying it isn't old ravnica or onslaught again, they seem to love bringing back those two

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 17:27 (thirteen years ago)

notion thief is alright. still feel like this set is short one big chase card but maybe that's because i'm not used to small sets since it's been so long since the last one. i have absolutely no clue what to expect for the last remaining mythic (dimir) but i kind of hope it's a good card and not some sort of 7 mana giant milling monster so that people will shut up about dimir getting shafted.

we've also seen almost zero use of the guild mechanics so i guess that's all on commons/uncommons

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:58 (thirteen years ago)

well Notion Thief and Whispering Madness seems rather degenerate. not sure how sustainable that is but it's quite a hilarious combo.

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 20:01 (thirteen years ago)

i've really liked all the limited cards spoiled so far and have found all the constructed cards super underwhelming

Reggie (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 20:06 (thirteen years ago)

totally agreed, I was expecting a lot of ridiculous "good thing this is only legal for 16 months" cards like the G/W mythic; instead it looks like we're getting a ton of 'build-around' cards based on the types of things that are generally bad constructed strategies

*not that I mind this kind of set at all

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 20:08 (thirteen years ago)

MTGO update notes are up. we get shadowmoor drafts this week! and lorwyn during the cube/new-set-not-out-yet period. this is sweet, that's the one remaining block i've never drafted before.

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:00 (thirteen years ago)

also 4-pack sealed is back

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:01 (thirteen years ago)

So, they collect 16 extra tix and give out one additional pack? Did they miss the reason why 4-pack was so popular in the first place?

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:25 (thirteen years ago)

excited for the lorwyn block actually

Reggie (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 22:14 (thirteen years ago)

no, that's probably why they got rid of it in the first place, because it wasn't actually producing any revenue on its own by not consuming tickets

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 22:15 (thirteen years ago)

Lorwyn's one of my all-time favorite draft sets, gotta remember to get on mtgo during that time.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 22:18 (thirteen years ago)

yeah i've heard lorwyn was kinda a jam and while i am certainly sick of all current limited formats i dont like cube enough to want to waste my money on it

what did the 4 pack sealed cost previously?

Reggie (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 22:19 (thirteen years ago)

the old 4-pack queue just cost 4 packs, no tickets. this one adds the typical 2 ticket entry fee

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 22:25 (thirteen years ago)

o i c

i caved and put more money on my account and have been playing ISD drafts to get my last two (now one!) QPs. now i want to find a way to use angelic overseer as a finisher in a constructed deck even though i realize how terrible that is.

Reggie (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 22:39 (thirteen years ago)

i played it back in december! it was okay until people started playing bonfire again and mizzium mortars which both kill it, awkwardly

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 22:50 (thirteen years ago)


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