Magic: The Gathering C/D

I think Loyal Cathar would have seen some play if they hadn't printed better cards like Doomed Traveller or Strangleroot Geist. It's just a real good package for not a lot of mana and it can be a nightmare for certain decks. I do agree that it's not really right to compare this to Abolisher.

oh my god people are whining so hard about Goblin Test Pilot

The capacity for whining in general on mtgsalvation is astounding

haha why

its annoying to select the random target is all i meant, its clearly not constructed playable and is sort of a fringey sideboard card in limited probably

these are the same people who thought ral's ultimate was terrible because of the 1/32 chance that you get 5 tails

i'm seeing a lot of "well Izzet was the worst guild anyway, so instead of Electrolyze we obviously get this...I'm surprised they didn't think a 0/2 flying was broken enough!! LOL!!"

plus whining that people are going to play the random ability wrong by rolling 2d6s or whatever. "rules nightmare" is getting thrown around a lot, as though generating a random number is that difficult.

basically people getting real mad at goofy cards that are not constructed playable

well if there are 11 permanents in play generating a random number and assigning everything a number 1-13 is a pain in the ass

and the end result isn't even fun or interesting

like I agree w/ the whiners that the card was a bad idea it just won't be a huge issue cause nobody will play this

if it did 5 damage and could really swing a game that would be one thing

somebody who is a real dick could bring it to a huge edh game

people would whine so much harder if this thing were playable; same reason why coinflip cards have to be unplayable, because nobody wants to lose a match in a Grand Prix or something on a coin flip. hence why Frenetic Efreet seems to be so hated.

I loved frentic efreet. was that reprinted?

nope

would be terrible in today's game wouldn't it

yeah definitely

a 3 mana 2/1 flyer was alright back then. plus the idea of cards "phasing out" kinda left us long ago - I always thought it was funny how every card with "phasing" was basically unplayable. we've come a long way

that was in a world champ deck iirc!

i think you're thinking of rainbow efreet

it placed second: https://www.wizards.com/sideboard/article.asp?x=results/ptworlds97_decks

rainbow efreet was rad too

that would be limited playable today for sure

those circles of protection even

imagine trying to play wildfire emissary in constructed today

well Frenetic Efreet got nerfed quite a bit with the changes to damage stacking. now it would just be a 2/1 that randomly dodges removal.

people didn't play a lot of lands in those days, did they? i guess if you're doing 4 thawing glaciers you can live off just two but still this seems pretty light

slam it imo

yeah I remember 20-22 being the accepted norm and was surprised when I came back to the game

lol the third place list is playing 16 lands? is that right? pre-modern competitive magic is kinda nuts

the pitch cards were quite good too which justifies a little less land

yeah playing enough lands is a relatively modern development in mtg strategy

lol @ people playing 46 land esper drownyard decks now though, maybe the pendulum has swung too far

though some of that is the switch from counterspell to mana leak as the baseline good counterspell, and then from mana leak to nothing that punishes playing higher cmc spells

when your deck is built around casting a 4-mana spell to stabilize, you need to play 27+ lands because you want to hit your 4th land drop on turn 4 every single game. those older control decks were better at trading 1 for 1 without losing too much tempo, so you could skimp on lands more

yeah the most expensive spell in that RUW deck is hammer of borgarden

also sphinx's revelation makes flooding out a complete non-worry

oh the U/W mythic is going to be pretty fun with that card

yeah i understand to an extent, like the 97 list also gets to play 4 swords to plowshares and 4 force of wills in it, it is doing something kinda different to current esper decks.

would be interested to know what the win % would be for that u/w/r 97 deck versus a 2013 competitive deck? like in theory it feels like the 97 deck is the favorite against p much any modern creature deck but maybe its too inconsistent, has too few answers? idk

this is exactly what cockatrice was so excellent at doing

Frenetic Efreet pre-dated stacked damage, the ability was used to dodge removal. I remember the days of playing 20-22 lands, but not exactly why people did that. The mulligan rules were a lot stupider (redraw only 0 or 7 lands, I think?) so maybe it was that the game had so much luck, you may as well press it to the limit.

yeah I feel like that was the general pov

well when *I* played Frenetic Efreet it was in the stacked damage era. that change came about in 6th edition so IIRC you wouldn't have Mirage-era cards legal then

I like my damage like I like my women

i am never, ever getting these last two QPs huh? so bitter w/mtgo rn

yeah i already gave up on this season, i have too a hard time motivating myself to play now-obsolete formats during the spoiler weeks + paper release period

am i correct in thinking that there is no statistical information available on mtgo? like, if i want to know how i did in tournaments or one off games over a period i need to be keeping track of that myself right?

they keep track of a few things like # of boosters won, which they send you in the monthly email you can opt into in your options. most useful things like winrate you need to track yourself though.

ok thx

boy I really hope the rumors of the G/U Mana Drain are true

if it's four mana would it even be playable?

i kinda doubt it but you better believe i'd base some stupid Zegana deck around it

I would love if it were 1GU

counter a spell and generate 7 mana on turn 4? that may be a little too good