2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

tracer, i hate to sound like a mommy, but don't you ever have anything nice to say about anything?

I thought it was very nice when he laughed at my Hillary/Barack joke upthread.

lolz at Josh Marshall saying he feels Hillary's been maltreated when he passes on Drudge smears against her verbatim

-- Tracer Hand, Tuesday, March 4, 2008 8:23 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

no seriously tracer. i read this site just about every day, i must have missed something? what are you talking about?

i can't discern any stable position tracer has taken other than his preference for sifting for supposed hypocrisy and for weird devil's advocacy of hillary. sure, the horse of the state needs a gadfly, but there's a difference between critical insight and chafing cynicism, you know?

clinton's daily schedules as first lady are set to be released by march 20.

Jan. 29, 1993-- Kick off 2008 Presidential campaign.

my stable position: the national political press in america is almost always wrong about everything, including what counts as news

Waste my vote on John Edwards? More like waste my vote on John HAIRCUT.

so let's follow your advice and only refer to the press to make fun of this or that article.

(xpost)

Amirite? *offers a fist to bump*

xp

Obama aides refuting Clinton's peacekeeping in Balkans:

"She has talked about a dangerous mission to Bosnia, but news reports indicate that she was accompanied on that trip by Sinbad and Cheryl Crow," he said.

LOL

haw, her entourage

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/4/134227/0729/177/468654

this dailykos diary makes the claim (based on this toy: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html, which I looked at yesterday but was too busy to really futz with too much), that there is NO WAY clinton can win, unless she unexpectedly wins OH and TX by more than 10% each. Best case scenarios for her seem to indicate she still falls behind Obama by 8 delegates.

dailykos OTM Hillary is screwed, drop out now plz thx

I hope she recycles Romney's concession speech, just for lolz.

"I can't let this country fall into the hands of terrorists!"

dailykos OTM Hillary is screwed, drop out now plz thx

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, March 4, 2008 10:22 PM

i'd like to think this is true but i have my unfounded doubts

the major thing i don't understand about the whole "the press has been unfair to hillary" narrative is -- well, wouldn't she have gotten a little more positive press coverage if she won anything during the entire month of february? saying that the media reporting on his successes and her failures in each and every one of the post-Super Tuesday states constitutes some sort of bias is pretty fucking dumb.

http://i25.tinypic.com/33uacf7.jpg

OTM Hillary is screwed, drop out now plz

Okay, I haven't paid attention today (partly out of fear that HRC will win both Tx and Ohio, and we'll continue to have a nasty primary fight while McCain consolidates his support). But is the above line based on some actual developments, or it is just Shakey being Shakey? (no insult intended, Shakey, I just know your feelings toward HRC).

after assembling that it occurred to me that there prob a real version out there

http://bp0.blogger.com/_xkAiN-y_dL8/R3wnF8tHSSI/AAAAAAAAAgs/QIgAYfHaqn8/s400/AP96032502243.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/suzsb8.jpg

I kind of have to give Hillary kudos for trying to push Sheryl Crow in front of a bullet.

look at that dailykos link - its simple math.

x-;ost

I hear Hillary gave Sheryl Crow breast cancer - alert the DRUDGE REPORT

Sinbad's teeth should shield Sheryl.

Is that Gen. Mark McKinney on the right there?

a few xposts

the simple math shakey mo is reposting from kos has been done repeatedly since the carolina primary by andrew sullivan commenters

Possibly good omen for Obama in the early AP exit poll data? They say 20% of voters in Ohio and 25% in Texas were Independents. SurveyUSA--arguably the most reliable pollster--predicted significantly lower Independent turnout in each state, and had Obama comfortable winning Independents in both states (though by a larger margin in Texas than in Ohio). Could be enough to put Obama over the top in Texas and keep it closer than expected in Ohio. Maybe.

Plz,plz,plz be true.

god that was a bad hair era for hill

ok, it was a bad hair era for most people

First wave of Democratic exit polls….

By Jessica Wehrman | Tuesday, March 4, 2008, 05:19 PM

The first wave of Democratic exit polls are in: more women are voting then men, and the highest turnout is among white women, according to exit polls conducted by Edison/Mitofsky. The earliest results were gleaned from 1,020 Ohio voters.

Of those polled so far, 75 percent are white and 20 percent are African-American. Three percent are Hispanic.

Thirteen percent are between the ages of 17 and 29; 27 percent between the ages of 30 and 44; 33 between the ages of 45 and 59 and 26 percent older than 60.

Eighty percent of voters in the Democratic primary made their decision a week ago or more.

Fifty-nine percent considered the economy the most important issue facing the country, followed by 18 percent considering Iraq most important and 19 percent considering health care their most important.

I would also like to point out that I believe said bloggers' "simple math" about as much as the floater that McCain couldn't hold office because he was born in the canal zone. O RLY?

blogger math

whatever tom. please to outline feasible scenario wherein Hillary wins all the remaining states by double digits and still doesn't have enough delegates to beat Obama.

I mean, there's a finite number of delegates up for grabs, the math IS pretty simple

you're right clearly hillary is still running strictly for the purpose of burning her own money.

No, she just doesn't care about winning the pledged delegates. Her only hope is to almost catch up and find a way smear Obama so badly that he can't compete in the fall.

i think the only way she can win unless she wins tx and oh by huge margins to to take this to the convention and fight over florida and michigan delgates, but i'm going to be very very surprised if she does this

you're right clearly hillary is still running strictly for the purpose of burning her own money.

she's keeping it up cuz she's an egomaniac running for president and she's too bitter to quit without exhausting every single possible scenario, no matter how hopeless, far-fetched, or damaging to the party.

there's this thing called overweening hubris

some info on hillary's game plan if she's still in it after tonight:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/hillarys_longshot_strategy.php#comments

What this shows, I think, is that Hillary's bash-the-press strategy is partly targeted at the super-delegates. If the Hillary camp can scrape together a big enough win tonight, it can spend the weeks ahead bludgeoning reporters into getting "tough" on Obama, in hopes that the press will poke enough holes in him to sow doubts among the super-dels about his fitness for the general election.

so hillary won't be doing the smearing herself, but rather getting the press to do the job?

theres this thing called projection xp

so hillary won't be doing the smearing herself, but rather getting the press to do the job?

-- Mark Clemente, Tuesday, March 4, 2008 5:11 PM (48 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

worked for the past week

yep

From our very own comments - which are piling in, thanks ya'll - here are the theories that are emerging for why Republicans are "crossing over" and voting Democrat today:

Mark: I'm a lifelong Republican who voted Democrat today. Rush Limbaugh had nothing to do with my choice; George Bush and his lunatic war in Iraq had everything to do with it.

JCLE: This is the first time I have ever voted for a D. I voted for Hil because if we have to have a D in the White House, Hil would not be near the nightmare that the Big O would be. His foreign policy by Kumbah Yah is scary to say the least.

PMS: At my local coffee shop, the GOP-types were going the other way... voting for Obama as the MUCH easier Dem to defeat.

Michael Crawford: Hillary is the most centered candidate out of Mccain, Obama and Clinton. Vote Clinton, at least you know where she stands on the issues, the other two will let subordiantes tell them what to do.

Barry Pierson (addressing everyone as "you people", so I suppose he's talking to all of us): They voted for Obama because they despise Hillary Clinton. Much to the disappointment of Democrats, these same Republicans will NOT vote for Obama in November.

Jeff: I am a very conservitive Republican and I voted for Hillary today. The Republican nominee is a pretty much settled so I used my vote to help set the stage for the general election. Hillary has very high negative numbers. Obama is little more than a cult of personality, which can be very dangerous.

Brian: I'm an ex-Republican who voted for Obama today. I am sick of the Republican party. McCain will be nothing but four more years of misery and bloodshed and shame.

Dustin: As much as I hated it, I also crossed party lines and voted for Hillary this morning. Given the rules in Texas, I will definitely play the game. ... why not vote for the lessser of two evils? McCain can beat Hillary

Kevin, resident peace-maker: I think people see that being a Republican or Democrat is merely a label. Picking a candidate to unite Americans is more important than the polarizing politics of the past 15 years. People want to move forward. Old school bipartisan politics is coming to an end.

yah hillarys still got a slim chance and shes gonna take it

Michael Crawford?!

Jeff: I am a very conservitive Republican and I voted for Hillary today. The Republican nominee is a pretty much settled so I used my vote to help set the stage for the general election. Hillary has very high negative numbers. Obama is little more than a cult of personality, which can be very dangerous.

would be pretty lol if this backfired and she, you know, beat mccain