why do i hate that artist thing that people keep posting on my facebook so much? why am i such a jerk?

http://static.quickmeme.com/media/social/qm.gif

no but it's really not necessarily true that it contains every possible number sequence just because it's infinite and non-repeating

much in the same way that there's no reason to believe monkeys would eventually type shakespear. They could just wind up typing "kkkkkkkkk" forever.

racist monkeys

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3tn5wj/

however, it does apparently contain the famous "boobies" number sequence (55319009)

nah i think infinity implies that everything that can happen would happen, every possible member of a set would appear in an infinitely sized set. you could have a set of less than 10 digits which was infinite i guess but if there's an infinitely big set which can contain all 10 digits then logically it would contain every possible combination of those digits. except "contain" becomes kind of meaningless in that context, i think because as i say you can't really treat infinity as a number

xp uh that says "googiess"

damn, my pin for my debit card is in the first 20 million digits of pi, time to change it

xp rong flip it upside down

here's the rub: so ANY given string of digits MIGHT appear in an infinite non-repeating sequence, but so what? there's the fallacious, superstitious conclusion that this MEANS anything -- that it proves that the world is full of connection and meaning (and that math is awesome and way better than religion, obvs).

it would be an equally compelling piece of evidence that NOTHING is meaningful if you framed it a different way.

well yeah I think we all agree on that part

it's additionally silly because pi is derived from a wholly man-made, abstract concept (the perfect circle)

I was thinking that it wouldn't necessarily contain every number sequence too, but I think that's down to intuitively thinking it temporally like the monkey theory rather than in terms of a proper but not-yet-defined infinite. But for me the real arbitrariness is in implying that ASCII or bitmap code is of some cosmic significance somehow, though maybe if I come up with some decimal language in which the first 100 letters of pi means 'ILX' I will become God or something.

Infinite non-repeating doesn't necessarily equal "every possible number combination" though, does it? I mean you could have an infinite non-repeating decimal that just went like this: 1.121122111222111122221111122222111111222222 etc.

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iirc irrational are not *just* non-repeating. they have other properties.

but yeah, elmo otm.

obvs I mean the first 77 letters of pi. xp

ianam but i think a 'normal' number does contain every finite sequence of integers, but it is not known if pi is normal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_number

god wikipedia maths articles are the worst

woah this thread just took a turn

yeah well who wants to be a normal number anyway, I like to do random things sometimes

xp rong flip it upside down

actually it is u who is rong because you meant to type 5318008

unless of course you were talking about the "boobless" variant, which was 55378008

5318008 618

there are BOOBIES and there are bOObIES, know what I'm sayin?

its a stoner thought experiment guys i dont think anyone is really taking it that seriously

i mean, you can maybe get alarmed if the us govt starts passing legislation based on the fact that the last thing you see before you die appears in pi or people start taking pi-based medicine but

omg you're right, shut the thread down guys

turns out Facebook image macros are nbd

ha

ANY given string of digits MUST appear in an infinite non-repeating sequence, unless i understand infinity as meaning something different from u guys. since it's non-repeating it continues until every possible string of digits is expressed ie eternity? u just have no access to it. (oh lol i see platonic forms.)

there are different kinds of infinity, apparently

if anything tho that meme is surely an argument for god not atheism since the atheist only believes in pi as it is observed and the theist believes the infinite shares infinitude w/ the divine.

much in the same way that there's no reason to believe monkeys would eventually type shakespear. They could just wind up typing "kkkkkkkkk" forever.

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yah monkeys experiment assumes monkeys would type randomly when really they would all just write the kkk newsletter

sry joke was alread made

B-)

mordy you are wrong. as ppl pointed out you can have an infinite nonrepeating sequence that e.g. contains no sevens. there's no proof about what sequences pi does or doesn't have, just that it is irrational, which just means its not the ratio of two integers (i.e. rational).

exactly it's irrational who knows what the fuck it's going to do next

someday I will explain infinity to you all but not right now

cant wait

it is full of stars sets

infinity? it doesn't matter u wouldn't know her anyway, she lives in Canada

My cousin is a set theorist at Oxford. Should I invite him to ILX for an AMA?

yes!

would like to see the set of all facebook Macros that doesn't contain a Bob Marley quote

does it contain itself?

-- Bob Marley

mind blown

--808 542137

more like you guys are irrational

now I am just a number

I, rrational