xp the doc refers to a msg board poster named mastrmind who declined to be interviewed. thats the jumping off pt for the superimposition stuff
― johnny crunch, Monday, 1 April 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
oh dude that baphomet thing is amazing holy sh1t
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 1 April 2013 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
OMG YES
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 1 April 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
that's really cool
― ryan, Monday, 1 April 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
u guys don't think Ascher wants you to accept evrything put forth in the film, now do ya
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
no.
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
he's a filmmaker not a schoolteacher iirc.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
He's actually both, but they teach postmodern theory now, y'know.
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
Jack's not even making the right hand gestures tho
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
actually that photo is Jack's head superimposed onto an actual vintage photograph, believe it or not.
― la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
http://media-cache-ec6.pinterest.com/192x/c5/97/fd/c597fd4611dc82a636d349228c94f918.jpg
― la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
actually actually!
― la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
literally actually
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
actually for real in actuality!
― la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
BAAAAAAAALSHIT
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
that's Baphomet, not Baal bro.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8xwa5GVsR3NqYPRYULOOHATcczOulgzJX13h6qN1QCXAyoDOykQ
― la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
jk who cares
― la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
you are one of them aren't youyou're one of the nonbelieversyou probably worship baphometand judd apatow
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, April 1, 2013 7:13 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lolling at this
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
rm 237 hit a lil too close to home for me as a lit major
― 乒乓, Saturday, 13 April 2013 04:02 (eleven years ago) link
I loved it. Would watch again.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 13 April 2013 05:03 (eleven years ago) link
Hadn't realised King hated Kubrick's version until I read a Guardian piece on filmed adaptations of books that was in the Guardian Review a week or so back. Said there was an interesting film called Room 237 looking at how people dealt with flaws in the film.
I'm having trouble with the Guardian website's search engine so can't find the article there. Hate that website's navigation have never been able to find things easily on it.
actually it's herehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/apr/06/king-kubrick-shining-adaptationwhich I just found manually. Didn't turn up as search engine had Stephen King or Kubrick entered though & i think the search engine which they're looking for feedback on just stopped working while I'd been looking for it. Ferfuxsake
― Stevolende, Saturday, 13 April 2013 09:21 (eleven years ago) link
& I hadn't seen that that film was already being discussed, but the rest of taht article is interesting anyway. Written by the guy who wrote the novel Submarine that Ayoade's film was based on. Covers the changes in The Graduate and various other well known films too.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 13 April 2013 09:27 (eleven years ago) link
actually I'd assumed that Room 237 was an older film that might be well known to some, so wasn;t that surprised thatit was being taked about here. I mainly lost my own thread cos I was having such a hard time finding the article on the Guardian website.
That search engine sucks, I thoughtit might be cos I'd made several searches on book adaptation before enetering Stephen king but it still didn't show taht when I went back and enetered Stephen King asa fresh search, went into loads of other things before that which is from last week so likely to be the first thing people would be looking for with the search engine isn't it?
― Stevolende, Saturday, 13 April 2013 09:31 (eleven years ago) link
ilx has a search engine too
― ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Saturday, 13 April 2013 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
get it togetehr man
― zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 15 April 2013 03:11 (eleven years ago) link
who are you talking to? I went to add the link to this thread because the thread was up active on the days current page. I'd just read the article a few days earlier so thought other people might be interested in reading it, but thanks to the lousy search engine not working properly I spent ages trying to find the entry I was looking for. Then only to discover it actually had the name Stephen King one of the search terms I was looking for directly in its title. Thanks to having to spend time trying to do that I lost thread of comment I was also going to add
So why would I need to find a search engine to look up the thread that was near the top of the page which was why I was adding to it. It looked from the article as though Room 237 was a documentary from a few years back that was being referred to.
So get what together?
― Stevolende, Monday, 15 April 2013 05:56 (eleven years ago) link
all of *waves hand upward* that
― zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 15 April 2013 13:31 (eleven years ago) link
I saw "Room 237", and it was OK. About a third of the commentators just sort of annoyed me and the pacing was quite off. Near the start there are sequences where the movie is played in super slow motion while someone awkwardly describes what is going on onscreen before describing crossfades that make complete sense as standard techniques you would use if you know anything about editing. Though yes the Hitler stash was funny. But I feel like the most compelling stuff was the Native American narrative, which was in here but chopped up among other things. Maybe i wish they had taken 3 major themes and studied them in order, rather than sort of jumping between them. It certainly would have helped build the case for each section. I can't believe nobody analyzing it for Nazi references didn't point out the red doors looking like the big red Nazi flag while 3 minutes were spent watching luggage being brought in in super slow motion.
Production value on this was pretty damn good! Plenty of times I wanted to know the name of the movies they were showing inbetween all the Kubrick footage, and the motion-tracked TV-swaps were always spot-on and looked really cool. Again, the commentators sometimes got on my nerves and I wished they had just hired a voice over actor to read all the stuff. Then again this movie is about how different people each bring a unique perspective so it probably would have lost some of that.
The moon landing thing was cool, but too short! Gimme more! Was kind of hoping they'd delve into 2001 at this point, do more front-projection analysis, etc. That image of cities on the moon? WTF? That was so great!! Where is that from?
LOL @ referencing Physical Cosmologies. Still my favorite Shining resource. The forwards-backwards part was pretty amazing. I'd heard about it when it came out and it sounded sort of cool but sort of gimmicky and dumb, but now I really want to see it!
"Room 237" was a good time and next time I was "The Shining" I'll probably have to keep a notepad by my side. Can't wait to see it again and watch for all the cool new stuff this has made me aware of.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 15 April 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
I couldn't have been less interested in a "case-building" approach. This film works if you believe that it's all horseshit.
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 April 2013 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
Oh yeah the part where the lady is going on about the guy with the split head and the big reveal is that her kid told her a story that involved a guy w a split head, and an axe, and all that. Well, it would make sense, if you are rewatching "The Shining" over and over, that your kid is going to pick up on the imagery!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 15 April 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
Really i kinda want a full KUBRICK DID THE MOON LANDING documentary.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 15 April 2013 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
http://store.sacredmysteriesmarketplace.com/kubrick-s-odyssey-part-1-dvd.html
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 15 April 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
Hardly surprising that there'll be no ding dong tbf.
― the gowls are not what they seem (darraghmac), Monday, 15 April 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Monday, April 15, 2013 11:29 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
totally otm
― zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
in facts it works BETTER
yeah morbs otm
― balls, Monday, 15 April 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
Speaking as someone that's in the doc, I see it as in impressionistic document of the Kubrick research subculture. No conclusions, but that's not what the doc intended. For "case building" seek out, the many self-made youtube docs out there. What's funny about all the extreme reactions to the POVs in the film, is that, in the context of Shining research at large, they are among the more mainstream, reasonable approaches (even Weidner!) The really crazy people didn't make the cut! I know that all of the narrators in the film enjoyed the finished product, and are all kind of surprised by the negative reaction by some of the audience ... just goes to show that different people can see the same thing very differently. Such is ambiguity!
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
okay, so were you the moon landing guy
― gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
i agree with SD, the film works best if you approach the theories a ride you allow yourself to go along on as long as possible until you circle back and realize "oh god i'm in too deep, how far back was the last logical argument, where am i even anymore"
― ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
and "will i ever be able to watch a movie the same way ever again"
― ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
xp: lawls, I'm the forwards/backwards guy with the screaming kid who says "like" all the time.
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
but siriusly ... http://kdk12.tumblr.com/private/40157429425/tumblr_mdm1mzJlgC1qjt9ph
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
ohhhh. good work with forward backwards show, that was a definite high point.
― gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i big upped you way up thread -- srsly my favorite part of the film
― ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Monday, 15 April 2013 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
For the record, I was the moon landing guy
― urine for a treat (latebloomer), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 01:11 (eleven years ago) link
I am the minotaur fwiw.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 01:44 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8h_v_our_Q
― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 02:35 (eleven years ago) link
Forwards/backwards was effing brilliant. You'd think it would be a mess but all the shots they showed were very beautiful.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 13:07 (eleven years ago) link
Just watched the doc, pretty decent quality version up on Piratebay btw.Interesting stuff.
Now got to watch the film again
― Stevolende, Thursday, 18 April 2013 14:46 (eleven years ago) link