Gay Marriage to Alfred: Your Thoughts

I only regret every post I ever post on ILX.

and as long as i'm linking
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/30/us/supreme-courts-glimpse-at-thinking-on-same-sex-marriage.html

As it turns out, it would seem that the conservative members of the court, making a calculation that their chances of winning would not improve with time, were behind the decision to take up the volatile subject. The aha moment came on Tuesday. After Justice Anthony M. Kennedy suggested that the court should dismiss the case, Justice Antonin Scalia tipped his hand. “It’s too late for that now, isn’t it?” he said, a note of glee in his voice.
“We have crossed that river,” he said.

Spotted thx to comment activity on FB:

http://agnesgalore.tumblr.com/post/46709012222/why-i-almost-defriended-everyone-who-had-an-hrc-logo-as

This is why I almost don't click on any gay marriage-related article posted on FB by people who are leftier than thou.

never minded anti-HRC material though

Tantrum city.

not an Onion story:

Sue Everhart has sounded an ominous warning that legalization of same-sex marriage may also lead to fraud. “You may be as straight as an arrow, and you may have a friend that is as straight as an arrow,” Everhart said. “I mean, what would prohibit you from saying that you’re gay, and y’all get married and still live as separate, but you get all the benefits?"

like people don't do this with opposite sex marriages

sometimes tantrums are justified, Eric

Um, I'm very much looking forward to the day I'm allowed to marry a straight man.

hear hear

i am available for insurance purposes

Has Sue Everhart never heard of community property or alimony?

Hey straight guys with health insurance, I'm sexy and single.

I have health insurance and an extra bedroom.

I also think way too highly of myself.

Skepticism that makes sense:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/love-inc/201303/what-if-gay-straight-marriage-is-bad-most-americans

Here's an interesting one

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Gay-son-doesnt-change-congressmans-view-on-gay-marriage-200686251.html

The context here is that Rep. Salmon, a typical enough hard-right social con (from Arizona, but of course!) directly states that he not only loves his son and all but as noted here he doesn't think that his son being gay was a question of choice of lifestyle either. I'm wondering both how much more common this view might get and whether it'll have any actual traction. It might, but what's got my attention about this -- and a lot of other things we're seeing -- is how people from an all-or-nothing viewpoint are now stuck parsing and reaching for nuance, where before they never or barely have been able to. On that level what follows will be intriguing...

my father!

You political scion, you dynast.

Shades of Blanche's ability to accept Clayton being gay but only so long as he doesn't date men.

Skepticism that makes sense:

I'm not sure about that. She clearly expresses her fears, but does not cite enough facts to give her fears substance. When you put her rhetoric aside and analyze each sentence, it reduces itself to highly articulate hand-wringing about an imagined future. When I set this against the very factual denial of civil rights in DOMA, I find those actual damages more compelling than her imaginary ones.

OK, it makes more sense than presuming that everyone who changed their profile pics last week actively hates trannies.

I do like Daryl Hall though!

eric: call me. can we do this as a long-distance thing? do you have an uncle that can marry us? do you have blue cross?

The longer the distance, the better. Nope on BCBS, but maybe we can work something out.

gonna need to check with my doctor before we get married

it's cool, go ahead

nb i am not an actual doctor but I am an ordained minister

is your church affiliated with donuts?

do you have blue cross?

yoo hoo

this may mean something different in cruising lingo than i mean it to

No, that's "preexisting condition."

i shudder to think what a "premium copay" codes as

god you're the worst

that's not a nice thing to say to God

he'll be ok

it's true that he contains multitudes

We will all be fine

Except for the uninsured

Reagan and the gays.

re Patti Davis's lamentable daddy issues and her pernicious revisionism... In 1992, she told The Advocate (6/30/1992): "They [my parents] think [homosexuality is] abnormal. I certainly don't think they feel that whatever someone's sexual preference is, is OK. They think that God made men and women to make love and any variation on that theme is in some way blasphemous."

So shadda you face, Reagangirl.

the first male gay couple slept in the White House when Ronnie was prez!

he wouldna said they could get married and divorced like he did, nevertheless.

Took you long enough, New Zealand:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8560494/Marriage-equality-bill-passes

100 yards from where I'm sitting right now:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIC-vGHCcAAWmMU.jpg

oooooooops

putting pressure on australia, which really really needs pressure right now

Patti Davis says some more things

Davis noted that Michael Reagan lived with her and her parents while gay friends and family members were present and were accepted by the former president and first lady, and thus she believes her brother knows that her father privately supported gay people.

“Michael came to live with us for a while when he was a young teenager and he knew the same people that I knew,” she explained. “And he knew the tolerance. And he knew the two aunts that babysat us. He knew they were around. They were around at holidays and it was completely accepted that they were a couple.”

Nonetheless, Ronald Reagan has been sharply criticized by LGBT and AIDS activists for bowing to religious conservatives in the Republican Party, holding back gay rights, and catastrophically failing in responding to the AIDS epidemic early on, not mentioning the word AIDS until the late 80s, well after thousands had been infected with HIV and died.

“Part of the reason I thought it was important to say that about my father,” Davis said regarding her belief that he would support gay marriage, “is that he was late in addressing the AIDS issue. I wished I’d asked him that before the Alzheimer’s, if he’d regretted that he was late in addressing the epidemic. I’m quite certain he would have said that yes he was. You know, my father’s flaw was not that he was intolerant. His flaw was that he trusted the people around him. And I’m not excusing him. I’m just saying this as a fact. He trusted people around him to tell him what was going on in the country that he needed to address. There were people around him that did not want him to deal with any issue that had to deal with gay people.”

ICYMI: Rhode Island Senate passes marriage equality bill.

the RI House easily passed an earlier version of the bill a couple months ago iirc, and the measure has the support of gov chafee so it's pretty much a done deal afaict, marriages can start happening on aug 1st