Gay Marriage to Alfred: Your Thoughts

I reflexively dislike HRC and have said so many years, and reading Linda Hershman's Victory at the moment (I recommend it) doesnt help, but can someone post a couple of links to comprehensive articles attacking its work?

That Yasmin Nair article is just awful imo. Gay marriage isnt a worthy cause because the health care system is still broken and rich neoliberal gays campaigned for it. huh?

Let them eat (wedding) cake!

That Yasmin Nair article is just awful imo. Gay marriage isnt a worthy cause because the health care system is still broken and rich neoliberal gays campaigned for it. huh?

― dsb, Friday, March 29, 2013 12:15 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

facepalm

The tone of some of these articles is def "no dessert before vegetables" imo.

What Nair seems to miss in that article is not the big picture of how exploitive the US economy is or how monsterous it is that roughly 50 million have no healthcare, and
she's equally right that putting massive resources into same sex marriage has redirected those resources from other issues, but she overlooks the fact that mainstream acceptance of same sex marriage will have transformative effects in society similar to school desegregation. Desegregation shared the highest priority of the civil rights movement (alongside voting rights) for a good reason. Marriage contradicts the most powerful social stigma against gays by legitimizing what was always the bedrock of its presumed illegitimacy. Symbolism counts for a lot in such issues.

otm

I discovered Hannah Arendt around the time of Lawrence v. Texas. The following passage is right and wrong in ways she could not have anticipated.

I did lol @ this Nair sentence: "In a few months, a final report, on very good paper, will be mailed to me..."

this is a fairly detailed post about how HRC has historically been pretty shitty to transppl:

http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2007/10/why-transgender-community-hates-hrc.html

mainstream acceptance of same sex marriage will have transformative effects in society similar to school desegregation

see i think as a hard left thinker yasmin nair would dispute this strongly

posting this link for this paragraph:

There will always be bigotry, one reason why the court has to step in and protect minority rights, but this week showed the entire country that that’s the only reason left.

What Nair seems to miss in that article is not the big picture of how exploitive the US economy is or how monsterous it is that roughly 50 million have no healthcare, and
she's equally right that putting massive resources into same sex marriage has redirected those resources from other issues, but she overlooks the fact that mainstream acceptance of same sex marriage will have transformative effects in society similar to school desegregation. Desegregation shared the highest priority of the civil rights movement (alongside voting rights) for a good reason. Marriage contradicts the most powerful social stigma against gays by legitimizing what was always the bedrock of its presumed illegitimacy. Symbolism counts for a lot in such issues.

― Aimless, Friday, March 29, 2013 12:24 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is garbage

1) you get into race and schools after desegregation and find out the picture isn't exactly little rock nine, in fact it's pretty similar to the state of affairs before desegregation, now more sophisticatedly entrenched.
2) marriage doesn't contradict a stigma against gays, it reinforces a stigma against being uncoupled
3) exactly how much does symbolism count for, again?

i mean, come the fuck on

didn't you see, a lot

The tone of some of these articles is def "no dessert before vegetables" imo.

I'm not sure even long-married couples i know would describe their union as dessert.

more like brown bananas amirite

xp Yeah, well that would partially account for the fact that every one of the gay couples I know in an LTR have no real intention of getting hitched even when it becomes an option.

marriage doesn't contradict a stigma against gays, it reinforces a stigma against being uncoupled

imo it also reinforces stigmas against non-monogamy, non-nuclear families, and families formed around other ideas of kinship (i.e. the kinds of relationships queer ppl have been experimenting w/ or forced to rely on for generations)

what do you think about people who get married?

1) you get into race and schools after desegregation and find out the picture isn't exactly little rock nine, in fact it's pretty similar to the state of affairs before desegregation, now more sophisticatedly entrenched.

Yeah desegregation, who needs it anyway amiright? i mean there are still vast economic and racial disparities in the school system so the civil rights movement was basically dumb <shrugs >

and gay marriage wont solve capitalism, so why bother?
or is it that marriage is a fundamentally sexist patriarchal institution etc...

ok there is some merit to that, but i dont see anyone advocating getting rid of marriage (or lessening its societal privileges) altogether anytime soon, as it is i feel like gay marriage really is a huge step forward that would have been unthinkable just a decade ago.

they're p chill, i'm going to two weddings this summer for ppl i really care about
xp

i was forced to get married by the patriarchy fyi

gay marriage really is a huge step forward

toward....?

equality

divorce

hot pants

disco

swinging

tailored jeans

care bears: the next generation

moustaches

halting the revolution

fondue parties

ironed underpants

tanning

tenth doctor figurines

Marriage

sauerkraut

wait that's gay cabbage

No, cotton candy is.

I'm not sure even long-married couples i know would describe their union as dessert.

― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Friday, March 29, 2013 5:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

more like brown bananas amirite

― Woody Ellen (Matt P), Friday, March 29, 2013 5:09 PM (1 hour ago)

More like smelling the turkey and wondering how much mustard it will take to make the sandwich edible. Some days.

More like fingering the tuna to see how much mayo you need to add to make it wetter and less fishy.

woooooooow

neither of you are allowed to prepare me a sandwich EVER

yeah um ugh, not feeling this direction for this thread personally

you guys should never be celebrity chefs.

I shouldn't be any kind of chef. I regret the post.

did this get linked to already?
http://nymag.com/news/features/gay-divorce-2013-3/

and please stay away from meat