Gay Marriage to Alfred: Your Thoughts

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then maybe I'm just cynical. but it feels about as much like solidarity as a livestrong bracelet. i dunno what I want but I hate people on my timeline acting like they're 'doing' something when it's a bloody picture

I'll shut up.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 03:58 (thirteen years ago)

It's nice to have a dream.

alternately mean and handsy (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 04:01 (thirteen years ago)

I think Alfred put it best in his blog post earlier tonight:

To see by my count fifty-five friends, three quarters of whom are straight, adopt the curious Rothko-like marriage equality Facebook profile photo moved me, but I couldn’t join them: besides my reluctance to attend football games or march in parades, I couldn’t see past the gesture, not when other priorities beckon. But the recognition that we’re in this together is heartening.

Onward.

Allow me, him and others like us our own way around this, and showing the connections as we choose to do. And just because I have an ambivalence bordering on the unsettled in terms of the gesture doesn't mean I have an ambivalence on a point which, as I said myself on here and elsewhere today, I've pretty much been convinced of the correctness of for two frickin' decades -- not that length of time or accident of moment of realization makes me special or means I deserve a medal, I don't, at all, in the slightest. I just choose to mark the moment differently.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 04:04 (thirteen years ago)

yeah I guess I need to walk my IA back somewhat. the gesture, such as it is, isnt meaningless & I bear no-one any actual ill will.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 04:07 (thirteen years ago)

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/3/25/15/enhanced-buzz-6303-1364238675-21.jpg

alternately mean and handsy (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 04:09 (thirteen years ago)

The gesture is fine but I'm not changing my picture either. This may make me a cantankerous old crank but I just would hate to give the world the impression that I think changing my picture actually means anything.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 04:09 (thirteen years ago)

You guys are going to tell me your profile picture on FB are your most prized and sacrosanct piece of real estate?

alternately mean and handsy (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 04:12 (thirteen years ago)

VG, I get where you are coming from, but I've read enough similar sentiments to your own today to be a little perturbed by them. Does a show of unity, no matter how feeble or ultimately "useless", really have to be so offensive? I mean, don't worry, people will be back to posting stupid image macros tomorrow.

And my changing my avatar today wasn't just some, "oh hey, this is a thing" idea on my part. A bill to legalize gay marriage recently passed the Illinois Senate and is now sitting in the House waiting for a vote, so I've been spending a lot of time these past few months writing and calling my representatives. Today just sort of feels like a continuation of the momentum that has been building among friends of mine.

i kant believe it's not buffon (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 04:13 (thirteen years ago)

I believe you jvc - just feel like a lot of what I see on my Facebook feed is rah-rah preaching to the choir stuff among people who themselves don't really think about political issues except when the next macro comes around. Not to say that I'm some champion in the streets, but I sort of resent the implied bullying participation-mongering, it all feels very high school.

Also no one has been clear to me why it's red; I assume because Communism which I'm down with but I can't imagine (for most of the people in my feed posting it) it's that.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 04:26 (thirteen years ago)

ned (and others): i should point out that i never changed any profile pics for this today either, despite my passion; and i'm not even demanding that people do. i'm only startled by the outpouring of disdain towards those who did.

Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:05 (thirteen years ago)

I'm with AA on this; it's tremendously cynical to be all up in arms because you're tired of seeing all these people making a gesture of support in favor of something that is immediately clearly in support of positive change

i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:10 (thirteen years ago)

dr casino: given that judges exists to interpret law, and given that lawmakers commonly respond to community sentiment where social issues are concerned, i think the line from internet/march/letter-writing/etc solidarity to making this change happen is fairly thick. it's also important worldwide, because america has the potential to lead in this area.

Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:12 (thirteen years ago)

also, if you want some diversity: http://equality-icons.tumblr.com/

i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:13 (thirteen years ago)

one for ilm
http://25.media.tumblr.com/738e3e4daacb14efd37058163206589e/tumblr_mkavzmenvH1s9bwlqo1_1280.jpg

i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:14 (thirteen years ago)

yeah. one effective political strategy is to figure out something dead easy people can do that will make their opinion publically visible - like those goddam yellow ribbon magnets on cars. it can create a bandwagon effect, too. it also helps that the supremes are notoriously aware of which way the political winds are blowing. a strong blast from one direction does aid the cause - at least somewhat.

Aimless, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:15 (thirteen years ago)

dr casino: given that judges exists to interpret law, and given that lawmakers commonly respond to community sentiment where social issues are concerned, i think the line from internet/march/letter-writing/etc solidarity to making this change happen is fairly thick. it's also important worldwide, because america has the potential to lead in this area.

― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:12 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously? judges are going to be moved to recognize the cultural shift around gay marriage by seeing a bunch of people click a few times to change their profile picture on facebook? What do they normally look to, bumper stickesr?

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:19 (thirteen years ago)

that's not what i said

Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:20 (thirteen years ago)

if nothing else, it shows that there's a large group of people willing to openly say that they're in favor of gay marriage as a social institution and lol i m old but if i had said such a thing when i was in high school (or college, really) people would've acted like i was nuts. for real, the idea that gay marriage would be argued at the supreme court would be completely incomprehensible to 21 y.o. me and still seems kinda vaguely young lit sci-fi in a hyperventilating "wait do we seriously have a BLACK PRESIDENT" way that the lack of flying cars continues to keep in check. we've come a long way baby.

i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:23 (thirteen years ago)

=

Mordy, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:23 (thirteen years ago)

http://i48.tinypic.com/28qykis.jpg

Heyman (crüt), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:24 (thirteen years ago)

haha okay wait maybe i am on board with that

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:25 (thirteen years ago)

SCOTUS pornography case rulings have even cited 'community standards' as a prevailing legal concept. They have ruled in favor of Jim Crow, in Plessy v. Ferguson, then later ruled against it, in Brown v. Board of Education, as the politics of race changed. Public opinion is not inconsequential to SCOTUS rulings.

Aimless, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:27 (thirteen years ago)

ace

Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:30 (thirteen years ago)

lol crut

cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:45 (thirteen years ago)

http://i46.tinypic.com/281yjp5.jpg

cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:57 (thirteen years ago)

best

Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:58 (thirteen years ago)

I have proceeded to write and rewrite several posts this evening and am rapidly losing precious sleep. That is not worth it at all. If I'm a crab, then I'm a crab, but if my point about wanting to act and reflect on this in a different way than a lot of others have chosen to do is misunderstood that's not my worry.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 06:19 (thirteen years ago)

i'm with dr casino: why is it red?

the late great, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 06:28 (thirteen years ago)

my question about putting the red hrc symbol up is whether it has to stay up until june and also if i do that will the hrc stop calling me trying to get more $$$ from me

the late great, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 06:30 (thirteen years ago)

ned, i hope it's not my posts that threw you, and i apologise if it was. we all agree here that only one outcome of the hearing is acceptable; within that, i honestly don't care how support is expressed. if there are people who are wielding their red equals signs with hostility (which is what i think you were referring to) then i absolutely see your point re that.

Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 06:52 (thirteen years ago)

i thought the color scheme was pretty obvious, bringing to mind love and by extension marriage

chilli, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 07:05 (thirteen years ago)

hi

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 07:11 (thirteen years ago)

hey matt.

chilli, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 07:15 (thirteen years ago)

i love red and pink

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 07:19 (thirteen years ago)

gay

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 07:24 (thirteen years ago)

marriage

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 07:24 (thirteen years ago)

to

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 07:24 (thirteen years ago)

alfred

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 07:24 (thirteen years ago)

:

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 07:24 (thirteen years ago)

your

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 07:24 (thirteen years ago)

thoughts

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 07:25 (thirteen years ago)

many xps to donna rouge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xxpd3Ye0zA

1staethyr, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 09:39 (thirteen years ago)

so whom am I marrying?

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 15:06 (thirteen years ago)

everyone, I guess

the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 15:11 (thirteen years ago)

polyanamorylicious

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 15:12 (thirteen years ago)

(a rejected Black Album track)

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 15:12 (thirteen years ago)

alfred what kind of health benefits package does your employer offer for spouses

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 15:13 (thirteen years ago)

There isn't a playwright in the world who could make me believe this would happen between two adult people. Goodbye, Alfred.

alternately mean and handsy (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 15:14 (thirteen years ago)

alfred what kind of health benefits package does your employer offer for spouses

Let's civil unionize and reap the benefits. My hair looks a lot like yours these days.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 15:16 (thirteen years ago)

DOMA not looking good, according to TPM. The Most Important Man in America among the skeptics.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 16:31 (thirteen years ago)


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