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>Spring 1981. Would the full-blown 80s really have set in by then?<

Absolutely. If by "full-blown '80s" you mean skinny ties and dance-oriented new wave. As for "Rock Lobster" coming out in 1979, that's true, but it stuck around suburban Detroit dancefloors (at least ones I remember) a lot longer than Donna Summer (who I actually prefer) did; in fact, by 1981, even the FUNK station in Detroit (WGPR -- again, Electrifying Mojo) was probably playing at least as much B-52s and Devo (and Gary Numan and Kraftwerk and J Geils and Billy Squier etc, and Prince and Kurtis Blow etc.) as Donna Summer (at least at night). (Actually, by 1981, the clubs and radio may have been playing "Private Idaho" instead, come to think of it. And people also would have been dancing to "Turning Japanese." I really think so.)

chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

that these kids seem like clueless 70s-rock holdovers in a just-dawning 80s world is part of its charm, to me. It makes even the "cool" freaks seem kinda dorky ("the Who? Haven't they heard of DEVO?!")

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

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If the Space Hippies had come to McKinley I predict they would have called Neil a "Herbert" and "reached" with Gordon Crisp. Maybe they would even have appreciated Nick's musical efforts.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, Nick can really SOUND!

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I was a freshman in high school in 1980, and would have been in Sam and Neil and Bill's high school class. The music seems pretty much right on, as I'm not a trainspotter on this score. We don't remember this now, but in those pre-Internet times a group wasn't OVER as soon as they released a new record; FM radio meant longer shelf-life for songs/acts/genres.

I kind of like the whole dynamic wherein: freaks : music :: geeks : comedy. If the young guys had been into music, there would have been a lot more "new wave" action on the show.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Right -- well, I'm not denying that kids still listened to Styx and Nugent and Seger etc. in the early '80s; of course they did. (I NEVER remember the Who being a big deal with anybody at my high school -- they seemed like old news, at least until punks discovered "My Generation" -- but maybe that's just my own experience. On the other hand, I did show up at my high school once and somebody had written WELCOME TO THE GRAND ILLUSION across the front of the school - true story!) And obviously none of these kids would have been listening to WGPR; no way. But they wouldn't have suddenly been discovering Foxy (who are great, by the way), either (not at home, and not in a disco).

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chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

ALL the metal-heads in my Oregon high school were into the Who's older stuff.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Really? Wow. Our metalheads were totally Kiss/Nuge/Aerosmith. The Who would have been big brothers' music, like the Beatles or somebody. Black Sabbath, by the way, inasumuch as I remember, did not EXIST - not on the radio, not anywhere. But then I wasn't much of a music fan then, so maybe I didn't notice; supposedly there were luded out burns who liked them, but maybe I just hid from those kids and pretended they didn't exist. And I didn't really start listening to the rock stations (WRIF, WABX, and WWWW in Detroit) until new wave 1979. Never heard any Sabbath then; didn't hear them on the radio til '81 or so (and when I did, it was late at night, and they scared me shitless.)

Also, I wish that the freaks read *Creem*! That would have been very cool (and very accurate, though, okay, maybe *Circus* would have been even more accurate). (By the way, has anybody mentioned that the REAL freaks on the show are the scary bullies who are always picking on the geeks? Which scary bullies are, sadly, never really fleshed out.)

chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

well, Alan gets pretty well fleshed out. The fat guy (the one who yells BURNOUT! at Lindsay) sadly, does not. I knew that guy in high school and I fucking hated him.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

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I remember Sabbath existing, if only as part of a Cheech and Chong routine.

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Good point about the music vs. comedy, Matt. I guess this topic is wearing thin, but I wish I hadn't misplaced my High School Yearbook (Class of 1981) so I could count how many people took their quote from "Over The Hills And Far Away."

Oh yeah, at my friends's high schools they would all put on this play called "Sing" every year, and I remember at one of them somebody playing the slow part of "Behind Blues Eyes" but not the fast part.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

(By the way, obviously, "new wave 1979" on those stations was also Van Halen 1979, the Babys 1979, Poco 1979, George Thorogood 1979, Billy Thorpe 1979, Journey 1979, and lots of other non-wave things.)

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chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I was only 7 years old in 1980, so I don't know shit. But by the time I got to high school Ozzy/Sabbath was de rigeur with the local heshers. apropos of nothing.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

and yeah, I do remember hearing the Cheech and Chong "gimme my Black Sabbitch rekkid" thing; I just never knew who they were talking about. I didn't know who the Floaters and Johnny Cash were either, I don't think. Though I probably more or less understood the "Alice Bowie" earache my eye joke.(Cheech and Chong were easily the most popular recording act in eighth grade, 1973/1974. Second place: George Carlin.) (Well, okay, maybe Elton John.)

chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Totally true about bullies on the show. Our scary bullies were the REAL Daniels: a dude named T1m Sh4nks was "after" me for three years, and was twice as grimy as the dudes on the show, but he and his posse somehow never actually caught me alone (read: I was careful everywhere I went, like a scared rabbit, and avoided the other end of Lower B hall where their lockers were). Thing was, we had mutual friends/acquaintances, so I know we listened to the same music: everything from Nugent to the Who to Hendrix and Zeppelin. I was actually more of a Creem reader, right there in Gary's Rexall Drug! But then I added the whole new wave/soul thing, which I'm not sure Sh4nks ever got to.

I remember the first time I heard Motorhead on late-night radio: OH MY GAWD YOU MEAN HUMANS MAKE THIS NOISE HOLY SHIT!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, Nick can really SOUND!
I have a feeling there would be a territorial pissing contest between Mr. Rosso and the interstellar counterparts to his youthful self.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

the 'bullies' play D&D with the geeks, give them a porno, apologise fr the sister egging them, consult harris fr advice, reassure sam (semi-comically) tht they'll look after his sister &c. it's only really kim kelly (and her hispanic one-episode friend) tht bullies the geeks.

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

???? no, the FREAKS do those things; the freaks are totally nice (except, yeah, kim kelly sometimes). I'm talking about the OTHER bullies (who are the real outcasts on the show; I wish we knew more about them).

chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

shed a tear for the misunderstood abusive fat guy.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, apologies chuck, misread fr a moment.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

So this thread has now completely morphed from Great Musical Moments in F&G to Why Did They Pull Their Punches Vis-A-Vis Sadistic Bullying On F&G? I'd rather stick to the other thread sidetrack- F&G Meets The Cast of Star Trek, TOS. Sample Episode: Cafeteria On The Edge of Forever: In Which Captain Kirk Demonstrates The Art Of Courtship To Bill By Moving In On Ms. Foote During Bill's Convalescence And Mr. Spock Wows The Freaks With A Demonstration Of Future State Of The Art Carburetor Technology.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

don't make me go look for f&g slash.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

fascinating.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

What is, Shakey?

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don't make ME go look for f&g axl!

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

yr Cafeteria on the Edge of Forever synopsis looked like it required my favorite Spock "catchphrase".

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I see. Perhaps a raised eyebrow emoticon would have helped (if such a thing exists), if not an mp3 soundbite of the bass lick that is the Mr. Spock theme music.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's another stab: All The World's A Stage: In Which Captain Kirk, Pretending To Be A Visiting Geek Uncle, Hams It Up At The McKinley High Christmas Pageant, While Neil, Trapped On Board The Enterprise, Does His Best Shatner Imitation In Order To Save The Ship/The Earth/The Universe. Meanwhile, Mr. Spock Helps Improve The Order Flow At The A1 Sporting Goods Store And Dr. McCoy Chastely Romances Bill's Mom.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, I found one other tiny potential accuracy quibble- the math competition. We never stood up and answered the questions orally like the did on the show- it seems more like a spelling bee to me the way they did it. I'm assuming they made this change because everbody thought it would be boring to film people filling out little pieces of paper, plus then you wouldn't get to hear the math. But I could be wrong. Was anybody a mathlete in that part of the country? Chuck?

Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 13 March 2005 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"where anybody spells out what suburb, exactly, they're located in?"

the show takes place in Chippewa, wherever that is (this tidbit is dropped at the beginning of the "punk" episode when Ken wonders why anyone would drop out of school and then "stay in Chippewa")

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

They also make some reference to Lindsay's dad's store being out on 18 mile (in the episode where Reagan comes to visit), so I assume this is a reference to what suburb of Detroit it is supposed to be set in. (Appears to be Sterling Heights?)

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

(please note I have zero understanding of the actual geography of the Detroit/Michigan area)

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't either, but I had heard of the infamous 8 Mile, so I figured it out from there via google.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

>Was anybody a mathlete in that part of the country? Chuck?<

I never even HEARD of matheletes back then. They definitely never had them at my school; I don't *think* any other suburban Michigan schools had them then (because if they did, I'm sure West Bloomfield would have, too), though I could be wrong. (Either way, am I the only one who thinks it's weird that none of the matheletes are male? And my daughter Coco, who is 15, likes the show a lot but is pissed that there are really no *female* geeks on it; the only *hint* otherwise, in almost the entire series, is one scene where one of the mathelete gals at a table in the cafeteria makes a one-off joke about asotopes - though I guess Millie or Tuba Girl might sort of count; depends what your definition is {not to mention how strict your definition of "girl" is, I guess, in Tuba's case). Either way, I agree that Lindsey is never convincingly either geeky or post-geeky; Coco says she's just whiney, and generally can't stand her. Though I say she's at least not as whiney as Angela Chase on *My So Called Life* was.) (NO girls on Freaks and Geeks are anywhere near as interesting as Rayanne Graf, though, I don't think. Though then again, who is?)

Um, there is one scene where the bowling alley disco is identified as being on 15 Mile, which = Maple Road, which is where the one on Orchard Lake Road on the border of Farmington Hills & West Bloomfield would have been. Chipewa is a non-existent place, I am 99.9999 per cent sure. 18 Mile would be pretty far out -- Milford, Walled Lake, Waterford, Utica, maybe? Though that's only if this is Northern Oakland County. I'd think Sterling Heights would be way closer to Detroit than 18 Mile (if there actually is an 18 Mile Road in real life - I forget), though I could be wrong. Don't have a map handy.

xhuxk, Monday, 14 March 2005 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

And anyway, Sterling Heights, from what I've seen, looks more grimey and less lawn-manicured than the neighborhood on the show. (Though that may have been different circa 1981, I guess.) (And come to think of it, where the freaks on the show seem to live is more rednecky and rural-looking than where Lindsey's family lives. TOTALLY could be Keego Harbor to the more affluent non-freaks' West Bloomfield -- I actually think the show depicts class distinctions pretty well.) (The Keego Harbor of *Home Improvement* looked NOTHING like Keego Harbor, by the way, though we were told that's where that '90s show was set.)

xhuxk, Monday, 14 March 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

(and by "where the freaks live", i mean burnout slutgirl kelly and the guy who spends early episodes imitating vinnie barbarino then winds up liking punk, not the one whose dad is a military officer and who winds up liking disco. my favorite freak by far -- in fact, possibly my favorite character on the show, give or take the ex-geek dungeons and dragons kid -- is the deadpan-sarcastic freak who winds up liking tuba girls, but i don't think we ever see where he lives.)

xhuxk, Monday, 14 March 2005 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Googling of fan pages tells me that the the guy from Detroit, Paul Feig, graduated from Chippewa high school, which was in Sterling Heights I think.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, Ken's the one central character who's home/family we *never* see.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a good point. Presumably they were saving that for second season, but no mention is made on any commentary I heard.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I get the feeling they weren't sure where to take his character, and the tuba girl episode was them really taking a first crack at it (that episode's pretty good, tho its kinda getting into Degrassi Jr High territory - actually my fave scene is the one where Chowkevski "comes out", which was inexplicably cut from the actual episode). Obviously they had a better handle on the rest of the Freaks from the get-go, whereas Ken seemed to be there just to provide one-liners.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, in fact at one point I was surprised that he was featured in the opening credits. They seemed to have liked the guy- I never watched it, but apparently he was in "Undeclared."

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, I saw a couple episodes of "Undeclared", it just didn't quite work, the format was too short for any of the characters to really do much (and I think Feig and Co. say this on one of the commentaries). Cuz it was 30 minutes, but it wasn't staged like a sitcom.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I never even HEARD of matheletes back then. They definitely never had them at my school
Would you have egged them on Halloween if they had existed?

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post to Chuck

My wife also complained about the heavily-female-slanted Mathletes team, saying that in reality it would all have been guys (tho I should point out there ARE a couple male Mathletes shown in the series). The Mathletes plotline seems to be an amalgamation of a lot of different acamedic "competitions" that go on in high school (Academic Decathlon, Mock Trial, etc.), rather than anything in particular - as such I think it should be forgiven whatever factual lapses it contains. It def. provides a lot of great scenes (mostly because of Millie, and the bitchy chick that Lindsay makes a catty point of defeating)

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

and fwiw, no, in general the top academic over-achievers in my high school class were not all guys, in fact, my memory is that it was mostly girls who were into that shit.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

>I never even HEARD of matheletes back then. They definitely never had them at my school
Would you have egged them on Halloween if they had existed? <

Honestly? I probably would have *been* one. Scored 200 points higher in math than in verbal on my SATs; 99th percentile. School counselor damn near had a nervous breakdown when I decided to major in journalism in college.

xhuxk, Monday, 14 March 2005 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I was on the debate team and forensics team, though (we didn't have academic decathalon or mock trial or anything like that); both seemed pretty evenly split between girls and guys. (Were there male matheletes at Lindsey's own school? I know the competing school had a couple, but all the scenes I remember with Millie's team seemed to be all girls, both during the competition and in the cafeteria.)

xhuxk, Monday, 14 March 2005 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there are a couple guys in the room when Kowchevski tells the team Lindsay's back on in Millie's place...? I'd have to re-watch tho. But yeah, the competing team had at least one guy, a black guy.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I tried to listen to the commentary from the real life parents last night, and the mother of the actress who played Millie was there but she didn't say much and when she did it was hard to hear. John Daley's father was an actor who was on the set all the time and knew everything about everybody- I thought he was a producer for a while.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Going back to the original question - jocelyn got it right: it's Nick and Millie singing the song from Jesus Christ Superstar at the party. Second best: Nick's terrible song that he wrote about Lindsay.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks for getting us back on topic, Nick, but is "Jesus Is Just Alright" really in Jesus Christ Superstar?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Eh who cares.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, do we ever see Daniel's family?

Magic City (ano ano), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes. His mother wants him to go pick up medicine for his father one morning so he is late for school. Kim gives him grief because she left a notebook in his car that she needed for an open-book test that morning.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

<3 This show, finally saw it recently and hunted down the entire run. I was looking through this wikipedia list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks_and_Geeks_(soundtrack) for best soundtrack moment and I couldn't pin it down! Too many good ones! Ones that stick out are the awesome Van Halen selection, that one episode where it's mostly Who songs (including "Boris the Spider"!!!), the Rush tracks (remind me of my little brother's Peart phase), the solo from the best Queen song ever ("Keep Yourself Alive"), "White Room", The Amboy Dukes.... So many great moments in this show, so many great songs!

Adam Bruneau, Saturday, 5 June 2010 04:03 (sixteen years ago)

OK, is it just me, or is one of the Disco hits played during the Disco episode missing from this list?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks_and_Geeks_(soundtrack)#118:_Discos_and_Dragons

PappaWheelie V, Saturday, 5 June 2010 05:25 (sixteen years ago)

Man, this is near impossible.... But at the moment I'll go with "Whipping Post."

billstevejim, Saturday, 5 June 2010 08:32 (sixteen years ago)

...coming from someone who does not enjoy The Allman Brothers at all, but this episode was the first time I ever enjoyed hearing it.

billstevejim, Saturday, 5 June 2010 08:33 (sixteen years ago)

ten years pass...

Revisiting random episodes, just got done with the fake ID one, and the Billy Joel songs are low-key great usages.

Also Kevin Corrigan coming on to Lindsay: "Wanna see Yes at Cobo?...Richie Blackmore's Rainbow is opening..."

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 02:20 (five years ago)

Heh, was wondering who would start such a thread.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 04:05 (five years ago)

"Box of Rain," "White Room" and "I'm One" close.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 04:32 (five years ago)


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