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Her killer or killers had slit her throat from behind, severing her carotid artery, and then left her to die. But this young girl, this 18-year-old kid, staggered and crawled down that alley the length of a city block, looking for help, Smit would later recall. But it was late and there was no help. Even as she was bleeding to death, she crawled out of the alley and into a nearby mobile home park. She tried one door her bloody handprint was later found on the screen, Smit remembered. Then she dragged herself to the manager's office, where she finally collapsed outside the door and died. In an image that would haunt investigators, including Smit, for decades, her bloody "handprint was actually about two inches below the doorbell."

At first, the cops didn't know who she was. She had no identification when they found her, no wallet, no driver's license, nothing. All she had in her pockets was an apartment key, and that wasn't much help. "We tried that key in 100 doors around there and we just couldn't put it together," Smit would later lament. But a few days after her death an acquaintance came forward, telling police that a girl fitting the victim's description, a young woman from Florida by the name of Karen Alicia Grammer who had taken a year off from her studies at Barry College and moved up to Colorado Springs, had vanished July .

Figuring it was worth a try, Smit went to her apartment building and slid the key they had recovered from her body into the lock. It fit. Just to make sure, they asked her older brother, then-20-year-old aspiring actor named Kelsey Grammer, to fly up to identify the body. You could tell just by looking at young Kelsey Grammer that "he really loved his sister," Smit recalled. What's more, it hadn't been that long since their estranged father had been gunned down near his home in Bermuda, and even less time had passed since the death of their grandfather, the man who had really raised the Grammer kids. "I'll tell you, tragedy has really struck that family," Smit had commented.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

it echoes the writers' struggles with their own inabilities to get laid.
(xpost)

― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Scott Seward is bumming me out, man.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahaha! Sorry! But this is the kreepy kelsey thread! when you watch one of those episodes of frasier where he just screams at his crippled father for half an hour, be afraid, be very afraid.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Woah, his sister was really murdered!? ok now I am creeped out.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i just went to trader fuckin joe's and saw the msutached one from le tigre, she told me that 'tehy were coming and by tehy i mean he and by he i mean teh grammer' but it wasn't her voice, rather it was john ratzenberger's.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I am drunk, and this question (and thread) is amazing. I was actually thinking that Gear must be drunk. and then I read the last sentence. awesome.

― lemin (lemin), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"So, ahh, Nahm, were you aware that severing the carotid ahtery does not produce, ahh, instant death? That scene in the Cuckoo's Nest where Bud Dourif dies almost instantly, ahh, is totally unrealistic."

"Fascinating, Cliffy. What's wrong over there, Dr. Crane?"

― I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I was at a movie theater once, and they showed the trailer for that Showtime movie where Kelsey Grammer played Benedict Arnold. The sight of Frasier looking deadly serious in full-on colonial regalia was quite amusing, but I didn't predict that the whole theater would actually start laughing.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I shouldn't be laughing at the curious george line, but i am.
I am.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 05:57 (twenty-one years ago)

darkest secret: his macbeth

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 06:18 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.eastnorthumberland.com/news/newsOctober1998/SeaboyerGrammer.JPG

― eman (eman), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 06:34 (twenty-one years ago)

what male human ISN'T a motherfucker with some dark secrets?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"darkest secret: his macbeth"

have you ever heard this guy on a talk show?? he is an elitist pretentious fucker and i do not for a second believe that.

― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 06:54 (twenty-one years ago)

He only dates/marries pornstars and he flipped his Corvette in Malibu Canyon on a straight away (which is apparently extremely hard to do, bearing in mind the weight distribution of the car and the gravitational physics of planet Earth).

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

he is a creep and i want him dead.

― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 07:19 (twenty-one years ago)

http://monkeyfilter.com/link.php/6934

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

swear to christ i was just flipping channels when i came across it, it meaning "frasier". innocuous enough scene, what with frasier engaged in some clever wordplay with david hyde pierce whilst john mahoney rolled his eyes in a "how'd a guy like me, an ex-cop, a blue-collar sort, end up with these kids, ain't life funny (cue sad/funny horn of irony)" manner. innocuous until kelsey broke the audience wall and looked at me and said, "terror, thy name is grammer". I shrieked but the scream was not my own, nay, it was that of bebe neuwirth.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude are you sure you aren't drunk!?

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

john i think you misunderstood what i meant by "dark secret"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

he drives a viper, nuf said

― lukey (Lukey G), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

and he sure likes the c-c-c-c-c-cocaine!

oh sorry - used to like. yeah, right.

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

He's a freaking republican too.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still traumatised from seeing him in 'Kennedy' on DVD the other day. Swimming. With Martin Sheen. He is a hairy hairy man.

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.shagpro.com/mrbrown/celeb/97sag15.jpg

The bear is clearly a voodoo doll he uses to torture his victims from afar.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/07/23/comingattr-grammer-inside.jpg

Be very afraid.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

That picture = me in forty years, I figure. But with a better soul.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, I was not going to say anything about the slight resemblance.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/02-98/02-25-98/kelsey.jpg

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1042911424835_2003/01/22/Frasier,0.jpg

He is drinking the blood of the innocent.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

And eating the awards of the pure.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

If you look close at that Future Ned one, you can see, peaking out from beneath the Nolte-esque locks-gone-wild, MUTTON CHOPS. Ned, deny yourself your heart's true desire no more...GROW THEM BITCHIZ OUT!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.smh.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1042911322021_2003/01/20/win05,1.jpg

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040112/040112_frasierends_hsmall.hmedium.jpg

Poor Eddie.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.iskon.hr/2004/01/13/0176007.17.jpg

The Twin Towers of Evil.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.fentonphoto.com/celeport/ZKELHOME.JPG

There are no words.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

gahhhhhhhhh

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

greatest thread in forever!

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.hardnheavy.com/jeffery2.jpg

Wanna know what's worse than that?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

(um, drop the i from the http.)

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice shoes. (x-post)

― nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.digitalhit.com/sag/10/sag04-119.jpg
FRASIER DRAGON HEAT RAY EYE EXPLOSION LASER POWER - GO!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Did I really need to see a picture of Chiklis fellating his Golden Globes?

Wow, that sounds even dirtier than I thought it would! Good job, me.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Chiklis has the eager/frightened gaze of a porn ingenue taking her first bukkake

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Fisher Price's.... no, I can't finish that joke.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

http://harland-williams.net/perisc/perisc06.jpg

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

McHale's Ostentatiously Effeminate Navy

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.celebstation.org/actors/kelsey_grammer/thumb/Kelsey_Grammer-003.jpg

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

That picture = me in forty years, I figure. But with a better soul.

Haha Ned I seriously think you'd do well to get a top hat like that.

― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone should, really.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

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I didn't know until today that Kelsey Grammer is married to the daughter of a Bristol City footballer and has a house in Portishead

― kinder, Friday, 20 January 2023 14:04 (three years ago)

four months pass...

Dave Charlton Trotta looks like a motherfucker with etc.

Kelsey Grammer “warned” Hollywood about “extraordinary” ‘Frasier’ reboot co-star Nicholas Lyndhurst

― nashwan, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 10:26 (three years ago)

Have they started shooting this yet?

I humbly request just one episode where Frasier calls Lyndhurst a plonker, just once.

― Ste, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 15:16 (three years ago)

Though the show makes a return, some of its former award-winning cast won’t.

How can penetrating investigative journalist Will Richards be so sure

― serving bundt (sic), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 16:30 (three years ago)

can they credibly have Eddie the dog return. dog years

― mh, Thursday, 15 June 2023 04:00 (three years ago)

ten months pass...

Young Kelsey looks like the yuppie equivalent of a baby that looks like an elderly man:

This guy on Cheers pic.twitter.com/MkRxElWyZX

— Joseph Mallozzi 🏴‍☠️ (@BaronDestructo) April 23, 2024

― paisley got boring (Eazy), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:29 (two years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDxQbxzdv98

― Big Bong Theory (stevie), Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:34 (two years ago)

three months pass...

https://i.imgur.com/DMelEiC.gif

― pplains, Sunday, 18 August 2024 03:37 (one year ago)

three weeks pass...

Money Plane Goof:

The computer servers are clearly CD Players stack on top of each other. In one shot, an Barenaked Ladies 'Stunt' CD pops out during a fight scene.

― Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 13 September 2024 18:38 (one year ago)


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