― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 17 July 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 18 July 2003 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)
It used to be gramatically acceptable to use a masculine pronoun (he, him, etc.) when referring to a person of unspecified gender (you know what I mean.. I can't think of any other way to put it), but now the "he or she"/"his or her" method is the proper form.
I'm not sure if it makes a difference whether you use a slash or the word "or." I suspect that the slash is unacceptable in formal writing.
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 18 July 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 July 2003 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 July 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)
Unless it's academic writing, and it allows you to make a terrible pun somehow.
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 18 July 2003 04:31 (twenty-two years ago)
Proper, maybe. But it should be pointed out that if you're having to cram this into your sentence, you;re writing a clumsy sentence, and you should probably drop back and punt.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 18 July 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 18 July 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 March 2004 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mary (Mary), Monday, 8 March 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 March 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)
hyphensOur style is to use one word wherever possible, including some instances where a word might be hyphenated by other publications. Hyphens tend to clutter up text (particularly when the computer breaks already hyphenated words at the end of lines)
Inventions, ideas and new concepts often begin life as two words, then become hyphenated, before finally becoming accepted as one word. Why wait? "Wire-less" and "down-stairs" were once hyphenated. In pursuit of this it is preferable to go further than Collins does in many cases: eg trenchcoat is two words in Collins but one under our style
Never use hyphens after adverbs, eg politically naive, wholly owned. But do use them to form compound adjectives, eg two-tonne vessel, three-year deal
Do use hyphens where not using one would be ambiguous, eg to distinguish "black-cab drivers come under attack" from "black cab-drivers come under attack"
― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 March 2004 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mary (Mary), Monday, 8 March 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 March 2004 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)
Tracer, I read this as advocating the phrase "fact-checking" as a verb (sorry, should have made that clear) so thanks were in order!
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 09:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)
assuming i only have one brother, would it be acceptable to write, "I went with my brother Isaac to the store" or do i have to write, "I went with my brother, Isaac, to the store" ?
for some reason i am under the impression that non-essential info can be stuck in without commas as long as it is only one or two words. but apparently, this is wrong?
― j c (j c), Friday, 1 October 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 1 October 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 1 October 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)
(fun with nonessential elements)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 1 October 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 1 October 2004 05:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 1 October 2004 06:16 (twenty-one years ago)
'I went to the store with my brother Isaac.'
― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 1 October 2004 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 1 October 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)
The evidence for “Americanization” of French culture is mixed, and its extent is impossible to measure, as culture is not easily definable, let alone quantifiable.
Please can you help me arrange it so it sounds better. Most importantly I need a more essay-register way of saying "let alone", but the whole sentence seems really clumsy still and I don't know how to fix it.
I hope there's someone around who can help. My head hurts.
― Cathy (Cathy), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)
Culture is not easily definable, much less quantifiable. Thus, not only is the evidence for "Americanization" of French culture mixed, but its actual extent is impossible to measure.
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― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 28 November 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Cathy (Cathy), Sunday, 28 November 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 28 November 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 28 November 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)
the "not only/but" thing is unnecessary
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 28 November 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 28 November 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Puddin'Head Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 28 November 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)
Thanks all.
I just finished my essay, wahey!!
― Cathy (Cathy), Sunday, 28 November 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 28 November 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)
I've decided to switch from a Jan 27, 1997 format to a 27 Jan 1997 format for dates because eliminating the extra comma helps the readability of some of my nastier sentences.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 28 November 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)
Here it is: "Although there are many different types of HLA proteins, each person has only a small, relatively unique set that is inherited from their parents."
Thanks much. And, uh, I'm on deadline, so hurry up!
― quincie, Monday, 2 May 2005 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Monday, 2 May 2005 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Mad Puffin, Monday, 2 May 2005 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― diedre mousedropping (Dave225), Monday, 2 May 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)
Although there are many different types of HLA proteins, individuals inherit from their parents only a small and relatively unique subset.
etc.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 2 May 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 2 May 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)
"Although many different types of HLA proteins exist, each person inherits only a small, realtively unique set."
.. not sure if that meaning is accurate or not. You may want to clarify the sentence in that .. is only the inherited set small, or is the total set small?
― diedre mousedropping (Dave225), Monday, 2 May 2005 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)
You don't have to be a grammar/usage nazi to object to torture in all its forms, including wrt the language.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 2 May 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)
Also, I want to kill the person who prompted Andrew's initial post.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)
So, any thoughts on "relatively unique?" Oh shit I'm an idiot, I just realized that is a great pun! Maybe I should keep it, then.
― quincie, Monday, 2 May 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)
(the Graun do, at least)
― kinder, Friday, 17 April 2026 08:34 (two months ago)
For real? Awful
― rameau in the main room (dog latin), Friday, 17 April 2026 12:55 (two months ago)
https://www.theguardian.com/guardian-style-guide-sA lot of people are saying it's Sad, very sad
― kinder, Friday, 17 April 2026 13:03 (two months ago)
Help please: book of 'favourite memories' of school children.I've been instructed to anonymise some of the tales.
So instead of "When Jenny called herself hot" I'm going with "When someone called themselves hot" OR "when someone called themself hot". Both now seem wrong and clunky!I'm aware the humour is somewhat lost this way....
― kinder, Saturday, 27 June 2026 14:49 (five days ago)
"when a girl i know" if you can gender them (with “she” to follow)"when my friend" or "when someone i know" if not (with “they” to follow)
― mark s, Saturday, 27 June 2026 18:43 (five days ago)
It's the reflexive I was questioning - "when someone called themselves hot, or called themself hot? Can't say 'called they hot'
But I think you're correct and I can gender them. So thanks!
― kinder, Saturday, 27 June 2026 21:34 (five days ago)
re: themself/themselves Chicago style considers both to be acceptable, it's up to the author/client
Following mark s, and offering more advice you didn't ask for, you could perhaps consider -- assuming the style/context/your role allows for it -- returning some of the "particular" quality of the stories whilst anonymizing along the lines of "When the boy with the striped shirt went to the water fountain," "When the girl with the brown hair called herself hot" ... idk just an idea. But that goes a bit beyond copyediting
― Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Saturday, 27 June 2026 23:55 (five days ago)
how about 'jenny felt hot (and)'
― mookieproof, Sunday, 28 June 2026 03:03 (four days ago)
(might delete later)
― Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Sunday, 28 June 2026 19:44 (four days ago)