Quentin Tarantino's Western movie "Django Unchained"

yeah.. the whole point is that plantations back then were not just economic engines run by savvy businessmen. they were kingdoms unto themselve,s run by people who called themselves 'big daddy' or wanted their land to be called 'candyland' ya mean?

I thought it was pretty clear that they had plenty of money, more than 12K, but weren't going to spend it. The idea was that they might shell out a few hundred for Hildy, leave and then never come back with the lawyer or whatever.

And it seems clear that Candie would probably have just sold Hildy to King if he had approached him in a similar fashion but using the story that he wanted a "pleasure girl" that spoke German, and that King's whole mandingo plan was unnecessary but he thought he had to play it that way.

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But I like to post before I finish writing.

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how do they know Schulz/Django never intended to pay? I don't think any of the characters ever acknowledge this outright, nor is there any evidence that they weren't going to pay - they had the money on them!

― his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier),

Well if Christopher Nolan directed this I'm sure we could expect an extra half hour of exposition stating exactly how the scam was gonna work all upfront and explicitly but that would probably be boring.

Tarantino's historically been much better at expository dialogue than Nolan, let's be real (lol cf Sam Jackson's fairly unnecessary speech in Inglorious Basterds)

If the idea is that Nolans movies are overlong talky slogs and that Tarantino flicks are brisk, never boring and very efficient 90 minute fun machines, well...let's just say they both have their indulgent traits.

lol I'm just saying over-explaining is Nolan's thing. Tarrantino is more about excessive banter. They can both be annoying.

the overlong talky bits in tarantino are usually the best parts

definitely! except in this movie.

Schultz: In this movie? This movie here?

Yes.

Schultz: So if I were to set aside vast stores of my not inconsiderable wells of patience, I would not be rewarded with a brisk entertainment?

No.

Schultz: So you say, definitively and with absolute certainty, that I will not be entertained?

Maybe.

Schultz: Ah! So your prognosis is that entertainment may therefore be one of many possibilities proffered by this fine picture?

If you say so.

Schultz: Indeed, if I am speaking, then I, sir, must be, by definition and in your words, with respect, be "saying so."

Yes.

Schultz: Which is to say that entertainment is a potential, plausible future for which I might plan and in which I may invest my valuable time?

Yes.

Schultz: In that case, my friend, you have peaked my curiosity. Consider me intrigued. Please pass the jujubes so that I might partake in this particular venture.

Whatever.

lol

nice

Lol you are funny and awesome. You are still wrong about this movie, though.

Is Josh himself a Tarantino character, just curious

If DU hd had been a Nolan film it would be just a long but way more glum and moralistic.

django sets up a vast surveillance apparatus to observe all slaveholders

bravo maestro

Quentin Tarantino may have won an Oscar for “Django Unchained” (for best original screenplay), but he’s getting less than favorable reviews from the composer who supplied some whistle-heavy spaghetti western tracks for the movie’s soundtrack.

Ennio Morricone, who has worked on three previous Tarantino films, told film students in Rome that he would never collaborate with the director again, saying he “places music in his films without coherence.”

Not that Mr. Morricone was impressed with the movie itself, which included one of his songs, “Ancora Qui” (sung by Elisa Toffoli) and three short instrumentals. “To tell the truth, I didn’t care for it,” Mr. Morricone said, according to The Hollywood Reporter. “Too much blood.”

Rigorous indeed.

he's just mad he was put next to rick ross

Re "without coherence" it seemed like the random cuts and zooms and music edits that were jokes in Death Proof and the training chapter of Kill Bill were more purposeful here, while jagged. Like when the Klansmen are surrounding the house and then there's the jagged cut and sound cutoff, it was also the quickest way to tell the story.

that's an interesting point--it seems like since kill bill the b-movie stylistic tics have become The Thing He Does Now. that's really obvious, i guess? it just hadn't really occurred to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwkAFYdoADI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfNhiRGQ-js

finally saw this, and i hereby declare Tarantino is the most overrated director ever (even more than Von Trier).

i hope i learned at last to ignore his work from now on.

I really dragged my heels about seeing this--one rep screening after another I'd bail at the last minute--but finally did tonight. My expectations were very low, so my tentative "pretty good" is colored by that. Some of it was funny, sometimes I was caught up in the story, some of it seemed quite unnecessary. Tarantino's skill as a filmmaker holds it together, for the most part. I'd rather talk about the actors.

Jamie Foxx -- He does as well as he can with an underwritten character.
Christoph Waltz -- I still haven't seen Inglorious Basterds, so the issue of him repeating himself (which I'm sure is a valid complaint) wasn't a factor for me. I thought he was really good. I expected him to be cartoonish, and he wasn't.
Leonardo Dicaprio -- His big meltdown worked, otherwise completely generic Southern villainy.
Samuel Jackson -- Not sure if I've ever not enjoyed a performance of his, but (unlike Waltz) I can't overlook that he's doing Sam Jackson schtick--more specifically, Ordell Robbie from Jackie Brown.
Tarantino -- He gets worse every time out. I liked him in Reservoir Dogs...

Have to admit, I missed Russ Tamblyn and Robert Carradine altogether.

what'd you think of don jhonson

I should have mentioned him--thought he was very good. I'm not sure if I could explain why I liked him much better than Dicaprio, as you could say they've got the same role, but he just seemed to keep the flourishes in check a lot more. (At first the big KKK scene seemed self-parodic, but it built up to one line near the end that I just loved--the one guy who began "Okay, let's all agree that the bags were a good idea..." and went on from there.)

I do think the Spike Lee controversy is really interesting, having now seen the film. I'd have to really think that through to contribute anything thoughtful. I understand Lee, and at the same time there's a part of me that thinks Django is more...useful (?) than Lincoln's careful seriousness. And a part that doesn't.

the absence of Sally Menke is strongly felt, especially after the first 30 minutes, which is the best part of the film.

Fifteen minutes in and this is great

this movie made me a convert to tarantino. i think upthread, before this thing came out, i expressed skepticism about him. but this film is really excellent.

These two should've been dead in the first 24 minutes

Lol Don Johnson as Col Sanders

yeah, they missed an opportunity in denying him a "try my chicken" line

Def

Damn this movie

the last two reels are kind of a mess i think but still enjoyable.

All the tensions at work in this movie are something else

I don't know whether this tops IB or not, may be a dead heat

Emotionally this has been harder to watch, owing to my background.

Claims of exploitation or whatever by some seem like bullshit

This was great through and through

calling bullshit on bullshit:

http://www.filmcomment.com/article/intolerance-quentin-tarantino-john-ford

thanks for the link, that article seems interesting.

i just saw this, thought it was pretty good

pretty deflating scene when django gets cornered underneath the upended bookcase or whatever. this ultimate badass has just realized, way too late, that he's out of bullets! and he's totally surrounded! and how they're holding hildy hostage! how in the HELL will he get out of this??? and.. he doesn't, he gives up.

even allowing for the fact that this is a cartoon, i really don't buy them not killing him and hildy right there; the guy has basically wiped out 90% of candieland's employees. bleh

I saw it a couple of weeks ago and didn't like it much. The music was by far the worst in a Tarantino movie. Almost everything good about it felt like it had been done better in Inglourious Basterds.

loved this, and i HATED inglorious basterds

i loved the music tbh

something about the tone felt off to me. not just of the soundtrack, the whole movie. I know spaghetti westerns can be corny but I dunno, it didn't click with me.

this was his weakest movie to-date imho. but then I'm of the opinion that prior to this Pulp Fiction was his worst.