Quentin Tarantino's Western movie "Django Unchained"

whatever.. it was a pretty sweet film and I'm glad I watched it and I think you can suck it!!

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I'm glad I watched it too I just think pretty much every other film he's made is better. Prior to this I would have said Pulp Fiction was his weakest, but this had considerably less to offer in terms of inventiveness.

Dude, it's not speculation, they have Schultz explicitly give his reasons for not just walking up and buying her. Like you might not agree and you might not (according to Tarantino) be expected to agree, but it's not not in the film.

Schultz' reasoning is totally arbitrary. he just tells a parable about buying a horse from a farmer and the farmer says "no". He does not go into WHY the farmer would say no.

idk I think we are given enough hints about candie, in the way he acts + his background (legacy kid who inherited his plantation) to figure out why a simple cash transaction wouldn't have passed muster for him

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xp Yes! But that's not a problem with the film, it's characterisation of Schultz.

I have never watched any of those fwiw

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it's characterisation of Schultz.

this is what Tarantino argues in that interview, but it seems weird that up to then in the film all of Schultz' carefully controlled, theatrical plans have been wildly successful and then oh this one (and final) time his plan turns out to be completely unnecessary, stupid, dangerous, etc.

like, I don't think his plan is presented as being at all dumb, it comes across as another one of his ingenious schemes. except it's not ingenious at all.

I don't recall a plan where Schultz pays somebody 12K to get the job done

that would have been the smart plan

resulting in everybody being alive, free, and legal

Schultz is a proud dude. This is what it tells me.

isn't the movie trying to show that schulz is fallible, idk

It always works and then it doesn't work is a perfectly fine frame for a film!

the candie plan wasn't any more dangerous than his other plans. he risked being shot in his other plans, and it didn't happen. he was lucky. he would've been safe had he not shot candie in the end. 12K and pride were at stake. the plan wasn't so awful.

I can definitely see Schultz choosing "We try to trick this dude and save 12K for our trouble. If it goes wrong, we pay him the 12K" over "Let's just give him the 12K." Choosing the latter is more jarringly out of character than any of the supposed disasters of storytelling brought up itt.

Ah christ if this movie wasnt about america and slavery ye wouldnt give a fuck

Ironically, given the hot-button hoopla, slavery and depiction of slavery does not seem to be a controversial point of this ILX debate.

Ya it's unironically all about the white dude

Yeah, who is also far more interesting, and given far more lines, than one dimensional Django.

that should be white dude(s) - Candie's motivations bothered me too

Django's pretty one-dimensional, but his actions make narrative sense.

I mean, I wish there was more to say about Django the character. He's no complicated man,antecedent of Shaft or no.

He's an adult, if taciturn, compared to schultz the fantasist child.

also I did complain upthread about Steven and why he would give a shit about Schulz/Django wanting to buy Hildy. altho in general Jackson does really well with a tricky role. my wife thought he was channeling Bernie Mac and I can kinda see that.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/italian-composer-morricone-slams-tarantino-428954

that's gotta hurt.

I think it's pretty obv. that Steven gives a shit cause he hates Django and doesn't seem too fond of Hildy either.

so he just doesn't want them to get what they want out of spite...? even though Candie ends up giving them what they want by selling her anyway?

he got the $12,000 which Django & Schultz had never intended to pay!

how do they know Schulz/Django never intended to pay? I don't think any of the characters ever acknowledge this outright, nor is there any evidence that they weren't going to pay - they had the money on them!

They catch the django hidly connection and then understand they're being lied to. I don't know why you need them to narrate their thoughts on screen

because the offer schultz makes is for them to leave with hildy and come back at a later date and buy eskimo joe at that point... it'd be insane, in the context of their cover story, to leave 12 grand there and not walk away with a fighter

http://i.imgur.com/GXRIBx9.jpg

because the offer schultz makes is for them to leave with hildy and come back at a later date and buy eskimo joe at that point... it'd be insane, in the context of their cover story, to leave 12 grand there and not walk away with a fighter

so... in this scenario they don't buy Eskimo Joe but they do buy Hildy (presumably with cash). What's the big deal? They just took a troublesome perpetual runaway slave off Candie's hands and paid him for it. what difference does it make that it was under false pretenses? I presume the answer is that it offends Candie's sense of Southern honor or he's angry about them wasting his time or some such shit, but these seem like minor offenses. And of course Candie never expresses anything resembling this, he just goes off on unrelated rants about the inherent inferiority of the "negro".

hes a spoiled brat and he doesnt like being toyed with

yeah.. the whole point is that plantations back then were not just economic engines run by savvy businessmen. they were kingdoms unto themselve,s run by people who called themselves 'big daddy' or wanted their land to be called 'candyland' ya mean?

I thought it was pretty clear that they had plenty of money, more than 12K, but weren't going to spend it. The idea was that they might shell out a few hundred for Hildy, leave and then never come back with the lawyer or whatever.

And it seems clear that Candie would probably have just sold Hildy to King if he had approached him in a similar fashion but using the story that he wanted a "pleasure girl" that spoke German, and that King's whole mandingo plan was unnecessary but he thought he had to play it that way.

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how do they know Schulz/Django never intended to pay? I don't think any of the characters ever acknowledge this outright, nor is there any evidence that they weren't going to pay - they had the money on them!

― his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier),

Well if Christopher Nolan directed this I'm sure we could expect an extra half hour of exposition stating exactly how the scam was gonna work all upfront and explicitly but that would probably be boring.

Tarantino's historically been much better at expository dialogue than Nolan, let's be real (lol cf Sam Jackson's fairly unnecessary speech in Inglorious Basterds)

If the idea is that Nolans movies are overlong talky slogs and that Tarantino flicks are brisk, never boring and very efficient 90 minute fun machines, well...let's just say they both have their indulgent traits.

lol I'm just saying over-explaining is Nolan's thing. Tarrantino is more about excessive banter. They can both be annoying.

the overlong talky bits in tarantino are usually the best parts

definitely! except in this movie.

Schultz: In this movie? This movie here?

Yes.

Schultz: So if I were to set aside vast stores of my not inconsiderable wells of patience, I would not be rewarded with a brisk entertainment?

No.

Schultz: So you say, definitively and with absolute certainty, that I will not be entertained?

Maybe.

Schultz: Ah! So your prognosis is that entertainment may therefore be one of many possibilities proffered by this fine picture?

If you say so.

Schultz: Indeed, if I am speaking, then I, sir, must be, by definition and in your words, with respect, be "saying so."

Yes.

Schultz: Which is to say that entertainment is a potential, plausible future for which I might plan and in which I may invest my valuable time?

Yes.

Schultz: In that case, my friend, you have peaked my curiosity. Consider me intrigued. Please pass the jujubes so that I might partake in this particular venture.

Whatever.

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