so so i just started doing this paleo diet thing - feels like it should be bullshit. is it?

where were all these gluten-sensitive people in previous generations, I ask you

anyone have or know anyone with crohn's disease get relief going gluten free?

Wheat gluten is more problematic, especially since the genetic mods to make it the easier-to-harvest dwarf version happened over the last 10 years or so. The book Wheat Belly has a summary of that and how it has changed the gluten in modern wheat.

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That's not really an argument against the potential for gluten sensitivity. People suffered through things we couldn't identify or isolate for improvement back in the day. If you give up gluten and find it makes you feel better - even if it's 100% placebo effect, or even if it doesn't - what have you lost? You're not cutting out anything that's essential to your diet and can't be found in other food sources.

oh good! just the name crohn's disease sounds really uncomfortable.

people with crohn's disease pretty much have to cut wheat or they will suffer. There's no real question about whether cutting wheat is good for those people.

really really not convinced by the "wheat is bad for you!!" argument

xpost that is not true for me. I have Crohn's.

you know what DOES exacerbate my crohn's? caveman-style fresh veggies.

Even today I think it's only like 1% of the population that has some kind of "gluten sensivity." I don't seem to. I like my beer, I like my toast in the morning, and I feel fine. I did stop eating sandwiches for lunch, because I noticed I feel more satisfied when a meal relies on meat and vegetables for more of its calories. But why cut it out completely?

Dude, no one is telling you to cut it out completely if you don't want to.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704893604576200393522456636.html

maybe up to 1 in 5 have some kind of sensitivity

well, I have mineral absorption issues, IBS, seasonal allergies, mild insulin resistance... and wheat was a HUGE trigger for my IBS.

So I feel loads better. I mean, if you don't want to do it, don't do it... but what you may not realize is what it's also super addictive. Most people react more negatively to the thought of giving up wheat more than anything else. But once you quit it, it's appeal really diminishes quite a bit.

that's true for any food innit

No. Not that I've found as much as the case for wheat and sugar.

in my (admittedly limited) experience

For instance, when I tried to go raw vegan... um, yeah the appeal of cooked foods ROSE CONSIDERABLY

I definitely notice a negative effect from even small amounts of refined sugar that I do not notice in connection with moderate amounts of wheat. Even there, though, it depends on what I eat it with -- I feel a lot worse after a single handful of candy than I do after an otherwise nutritious dish that has refined sugar as an ingredient.

Well, you are lucky, I guess? To each his own?

^ yeah, sugars are definitely not good for my gut. Never had a problem with wheat though. I mean, if I ate an entire loaf of wheat bread I'd probably feel pretty terrible. But in normal amounts I've never had a wheat problem. Gluten definitely isn't something all Crohn's patients have to do without.

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beer makes me feel WAY less sick than liquor drinks or wine

The idea of n=1 experimentation - you do what works for you, who cares what works for others.

i wish they just didn't call it paleo so they could avoid all the contrarians writing books about what actual cavemen did or whatever. i'm not defending fad dieters but i read that salon article and felt kind of annoyed/trolled

beer has always given me problems. i didn't notice how bad they were until i was mostly drinking wine because i like it better. i would get hungover from a relatively small number of drinks, feel headachey, wake up with watery eyes and stuffed nose, and just generally feel bad. i think it's due to histamine rather than allergy to whatever grain is in it but i can totally live without it now that i figured that out.

It's not like the "paleo" stuff is just a strawman, there are a lot of people out there actually making bogus evolutionary/biological claims about all this stuff, and I get it in my facebook feed all the time.

the salon bit made me a little curious about that book. there's a lot going on out there w/r/t the valorization of "early man" and food is about the least interesting aspect of it.

I feel like the whole "traditional socities" parenting school is related, and I find that more insidious since people tend to get very self-righteous and personal about it

if you don't adhere to a caveman diet you're a savage fwiw

It's not like the "paleo" stuff is just a strawman, there are a lot of people out there actually making bogus evolutionary/biological claims about all this stuff, and I get it in my facebook feed all the time.

― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, March 13, 2013 6:00 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, I find it very difficult to feel "trolled" by the biologist here

It's not like the "paleo" stuff is just a strawman, there are a lot of people out there actually making bogus evolutionary/biological claims about all this stuff, and I get it in my facebook feed all the time.

― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:00 PM (6 minutes ago)

i have a lot of stupid people on my facebook feed too :(

as a dude that this thing worked for (and is now doing sort of a modded version of it), eh who gives a shit abt people that are trying to tie it to some sorta pseudo-science, anything that basically forces people not to eat processed food is ok by me

i don't feel trolled by the biologist. i agree people are making bogus claims about cavemen.

i shouldn't have said the article was trolly, i was more annoyed by the argument that "cavemen didn't even do this, therefore this diet is wrong," which didn't actually appear in that article but i have read elsewhere. i just think if people are happy eliminating certain food groups, that's cool. i'm eating candy right now.

yeah it's not a strawman I don't like being lectured by idiots (like, say, the checker at my local Trader Joe's last weekend) about what foods are bodies have properly evolved to eat etc.

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at the same time my thought was YOU WORK AT TRADER JOE'S

I actually don't even consider myself paleo, I just post in this thread because it's the closest way to how I eat and it's still relatively new-ish to me.

at the same time my thought was YOU WORK AT TRADER JOE'S

lol shakey otm

my caveman ancestors thrived on chicken fingers and sweet potato fries

i am bothered by people identifying themselves by what food they eat including paleos, raw foodists, vegans, and fruitarians

teetotalers are ok

cavemen ate what they were given! and they liked it!

I was buying some kind of supplement at Whole Foods - fish oil or something and the clerk started giving me shit about how supplementation is horrible in any form and I should watch Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and try a juice fast maaaaaaaan.

i'm on the halalfoodcart diet

fruitarian is a fun word

I <3 Bananas but http://www.30bananasaday.com/ makes me feel ill

The whole "wheat is bad for you" evangelism strikes me as the equivalent of someone with Type A blood alerting everyone in the world not to have a transfusion of Type B blood, because a transfusion of Type B will KILL YOU! After all, there is science to back this up.

30 bananas a day makes me feel ill..and the website gives me a migraine

thanks a lot milo

but try giving up grains and then tell me how you feel.

did it for a month and a half, felt exactly the same, but then again i have never been somebody who "craves" bread or sugar (though I consume plenty of both in my normal diet) and maybe people who do experience bigger changes when they eliminate those foods?

like I said, I have a whole host of issues, so giving up bread/grains/etc improved them a lot.