vollmann is not on the right track i don't think because lacks the practiced distance from the subject, lacks the aw shucks vibe when referencing academic shit, and he's a deeply sincere guy. (buyt in conversation he actually talks like some of the caricatures of bloggers in this thread).dfw is closer but probably not quite there.
eggers/mcsweeneys i think had a huge influence on this voice.
― dylannn, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
t/s: faux-naif bloggy voice v. posting so friggan much and still having no discernible posting style or personality?
― 乒乓, Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:49 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
occurs to me posting so friggin much and still having no discernible posting style or personality is kinda the voice of the tumblr literati tao lin et al, i think there was discussion of that around here somewhere
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 17:59 (eleven years ago) link
I don't really distinguish between typing on the internet and saying things out loud. typing feels more naturally really.
― C: (crüt), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
dfw is think is for sure an antecedent, he was obvs more passionate and rigorous than most of this stuff, but thats only natural
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
fair enough. but let's remove vollmann from the list, please.
anywayshttp://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=567821
this is the voice i think of when i read sterlsy's original post
― dylannn, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
<i>I know someone from the internet from Seattle and he likes the novel</i> The Moviegoer <i>by Walker Percy a lot. His name is Matthew. I argued with Matthew on the internet one time. I said</i> The Moviegoer <i>was melodramatic and did melodramatic things in regard to existential despair.</i>
― dylannn, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
i still think primarily of nabisco
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
FUCK ....... but just look at that shit
to me nitsubisco is like elegantly brandishing his intellect
― dylannn, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
^ faux naif bloggy voice
― dylannn, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
a positive quality of bloggy voice is imho its critique of credentials and experts, its v much expressing the promised internet democratization, anyone can show up and be judged not by their position but by their argument, not that thats how it actually works irl obvs but it works more like that now than it used to
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
its very american in that sense
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
just tossing in a 'like': cheating.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
nabisco is maybe the missing link between dfw and bloggy voice
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
elect me dictator of ilx and i promise such gesturing will not be allowed, i will be the sole voice of authority on all things
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
is the bloggy voice really responsible for the critique of credentials and experts?
― iatee, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
also lots of genuine experts go down this route, like paul krugman using lolcatz references or w/e
― iatee, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
well i guess you could say its more an expression than the cause
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
paul krugman is attempting to assimilate by using these tactics -- he's hardly the vanguard of bloggy voice
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
krugman is an expert but hes also for sure critical of credentialism, i mean hes got to deal w these hacks all day
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
im sure many actual experts welcome these developments w open arms
well ultimately it comes down to 'you don't need someone else's approval to get something published' which helps experts too, tho hurts them in other ways
― iatee, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
code-switching? ; )
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
doy
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, I believe this to be the case, yes. (no doi)
also most of the internet is nothing like the blogs ilxors tend to read, I've been there and its a scary place, not a lot of bloggy voice even in the blogs
― iatee, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
so youve been to reddit
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
feel liek w krugman it prob fits the way he sees himself/the world better than some authoritative bigshot tone does
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
― 乒乓, Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:10 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i feel like there's a twain-quality in what some ppl are going for, even though the actual voice isn't very twain at all.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
"And they act like because they use math, their “science” is more sciencey than sociology or whatever"
It should be fairly obvious that Pareene chose this tone because the column was discussing a study by economists of why more economists are not heads of state and he wished to convey the equivalent of a 15 year old saying "well, duh".
― Aimless, Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:47 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The problem I have with this tone in this case is that (1) I can't even entirely tell what level of irony it is and I'm not sure he can either (is he parroting this exceedingly skeptical statement because he fully agrees with it, or is his exaggeratedly childish tone supposed to convey some sketpicism about the skepticism as well? And if so, what does he actually think about economists?) and (2) if he's actually adopting the statement fully, it comes off as a little too easily dismissive in an unearned way -- young blogger reminds us that OF COURSE economics is all just a bunch of bullshit dressed up with fancy numbers, etc.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
well it is!
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
i knew you guys wouldn't let me down. now i have more to read. i can't believe that old spy magazine faux-naif article isn't online. its a crime against humanity! way ahead of its time. think it also had the accompanying pictures of celebrities wearing geeky glasses.
i have no idea what my internet voice sounds like. maybe i don't want to know. or do i? i dunno. lol.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
it's a partially true hyperbole that makes a point, but it's not literally true
xp
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
young blogger reminds us that OF COURSE economics is all just a bunch of bullshit dressed up with fancy numbers, etc.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:25 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is in a way p accurate as economics biggest problem is the quality of their data, which they then dress up in fancy equations
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
reminder that economics is a social science ; )
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
pareene uses that exact same tone and voice in every single piece of his. i enjoy most of his stuff but i think he could stand to ease up a little on the 'um, because that like sucks, dude!' shtick.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
he obv got it from ilx
― Mordy, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
'if by it you mean hepatitis c than yes'
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo
― am0n, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (133 of them)
― devendra banhard (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
you could have at least chosen a dn that wasn't a regurgitated joke from 5 years ago to post itt with
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
think there might be some crossover between this and The Tyranny of Humour
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:32 PM
boy u sure know a lot about stuff or whatever
― am0n, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
133 isn't even very many posts, I feel like you should have waited til like 250 to make the statement
― iatee, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
― am0n, Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:51 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is like a well known thing, not trying to be fancy or w/e, folks
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
well shucks :B
― am0n, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
everyone and their grandma already knows that the entire field of study is a complete crock
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/e193a4e290a2c3683f7e325fc4448345/tumblr_mjm2kdTOHE1rshsako2_250.gif
― markers, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
Is the Tiger Beatdown/Wonkette style of comedy writing an ultra-exaggerated version of this voice, or its own beast? (Deliberately stilted/simple sentences! Exclamations marks! HERE IS A SENTENCE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE WHY NOT?)
― blatherskite, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
that's gawker
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link