Origins of the faux-naif bloggy voice?

lagoon have u ever considered that u are the origin of the faux-naif bloggy voice

which era vollman and what do you see as the distinguishing characteristics? the more overt tics of his voice are such a high-wire style to pull off, i feel. although his more short, declarative, narrative stuff i think works pretty well and is easy to draw inspiration from...

idk that blog voice is any more annoying than the classic authoritative newsie woosie objectivism, kind just points to that a default voice is always gonna be kinda hacky, great writing will always transcend that but its asking alot for any newspaper piece or blog post to be great

lagoon have u ever considered that u are the origin of the faux-naif bloggy voice

― flopson, Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:40 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://thelayzmen.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/billy-joel-we-didnt-start-the-7023-1233002619-0.jpg

THIS MY BLØG

the mere fact that you are acutely aware of the origin of your style affectations is a sign that you are using/attempting to use the bloggy voice/a voice.

this reminds me of the proliferation of noise board (bored/borad) language that i could see spreading all over ilx when i first got here. it was weird, but kinda fun to watch from the sidelines. write like that now and you would seem pretty out of it, no?

i also like to define this voice by who doesn't use it and also who aspires to use it and, i dunno, kinda fails.

"And they act like because they use math, their “science” is more sciencey than sociology or whatever"

It should be fairly obvious that Pareene chose this tone because the column was discussing a study by economists of why more economists are not heads of state and he wished to convey the equivalent of a 15 year old saying "well, duh".

noise voice > bloggy voice, rip

t/s: faux-naif bloggy voice v. posting so friggan much and still having no discernible posting style or personality?

"the mere fact that you are acutely aware of the origin of your style affectations is a sign that you are using/attempting to use the bloggy voice/a voice"

not a modern think afaik, and not a negative thing either?

anxiety of influence ahoy.

vollmann is not on the right track i don't think because lacks the practiced distance from the subject, lacks the aw shucks vibe when referencing academic shit, and he's a deeply sincere guy. (buyt in conversation he actually talks like some of the caricatures of bloggers in this thread).
dfw is closer but probably not quite there.

eggers/mcsweeneys i think had a huge influence on this voice.

t/s: faux-naif bloggy voice v. posting so friggan much and still having no discernible posting style or personality?

― 乒乓, Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:49 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

occurs to me posting so friggin much and still having no discernible posting style or personality is kinda the voice of the tumblr literati tao lin et al, i think there was discussion of that around here somewhere

I don't really distinguish between typing on the internet and saying things out loud. typing feels more naturally really.

dfw is think is for sure an antecedent, he was obvs more passionate and rigorous than most of this stuff, but thats only natural

fair enough. but let's remove vollmann from the list, please.

anyways
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=567821

this is the voice i think of when i read sterlsy's original post

<i>I know someone from the internet from Seattle and he likes the novel</i> The Moviegoer <i>by Walker Percy a lot. His name is Matthew. I argued with Matthew on the internet one time. I said</i> The Moviegoer <i>was melodramatic and did melodramatic things in regard to existential despair.</i>

i still think primarily of nabisco

FUCK ....... but just look at that shit

to me nitsubisco is like elegantly brandishing his intellect

^ faux naif bloggy voice

a positive quality of bloggy voice is imho its critique of credentials and experts, its v much expressing the promised internet democratization, anyone can show up and be judged not by their position but by their argument, not that thats how it actually works irl obvs but it works more like that now than it used to

its very american in that sense

just tossing in a 'like': cheating.

nabisco is maybe the missing link between dfw and bloggy voice

elect me dictator of ilx and i promise such gesturing will not be allowed, i will be the sole voice of authority on all things

a positive quality of bloggy voice is imho its critique of credentials and experts, its v much expressing the promised internet democratization, anyone can show up and be judged not by their position but by their argument, not that thats how it actually works irl obvs but it works more like that now than it used to

is the bloggy voice really responsible for the critique of credentials and experts?

also lots of genuine experts go down this route, like paul krugman using lolcatz references or w/e

well i guess you could say its more an expression than the cause

paul krugman is attempting to assimilate by using these tactics -- he's hardly the vanguard of bloggy voice

krugman is an expert but hes also for sure critical of credentialism, i mean hes got to deal w these hacks all day

im sure many actual experts welcome these developments w open arms

well ultimately it comes down to 'you don't need someone else's approval to get something published' which helps experts too, tho hurts them in other ways

paul krugman is attempting to assimilate by using these tactics -- he's hardly the vanguard of bloggy voice

code-switching? ; )

doy

I mean, I believe this to be the case, yes. (no doi)

also most of the internet is nothing like the blogs ilxors tend to read, I've been there and its a scary place, not a lot of bloggy voice even in the blogs

so youve been to reddit

feel liek w krugman it prob fits the way he sees himself/the world better than some authoritative bigshot tone does

its very american in that sense

― 乒乓, Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:10 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i feel like there's a twain-quality in what some ppl are going for, even though the actual voice isn't very twain at all.

"And they act like because they use math, their “science” is more sciencey than sociology or whatever"

It should be fairly obvious that Pareene chose this tone because the column was discussing a study by economists of why more economists are not heads of state and he wished to convey the equivalent of a 15 year old saying "well, duh".

― Aimless, Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:47 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The problem I have with this tone in this case is that (1) I can't even entirely tell what level of irony it is and I'm not sure he can either (is he parroting this exceedingly skeptical statement because he fully agrees with it, or is his exaggeratedly childish tone supposed to convey some sketpicism about the skepticism as well? And if so, what does he actually think about economists?) and (2) if he's actually adopting the statement fully, it comes off as a little too easily dismissive in an unearned way -- young blogger reminds us that OF COURSE economics is all just a bunch of bullshit dressed up with fancy numbers, etc.

well it is!

i knew you guys wouldn't let me down. now i have more to read. i can't believe that old spy magazine faux-naif article isn't online. its a crime against humanity! way ahead of its time. think it also had the accompanying pictures of celebrities wearing geeky glasses.

i have no idea what my internet voice sounds like. maybe i don't want to know. or do i? i dunno. lol.

it's a partially true hyperbole that makes a point, but it's not literally true

xp

young blogger reminds us that OF COURSE economics is all just a bunch of bullshit dressed up with fancy numbers, etc.

― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:25 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is in a way p accurate as economics biggest problem is the quality of their data, which they then dress up in fancy equations

reminder that economics is a social science ; )

pareene uses that exact same tone and voice in every single piece of his. i enjoy most of his stuff but i think he could stand to ease up a little on the 'um, because that like sucks, dude!' shtick.

he obv got it from ilx

'if by it you mean hepatitis c than yes'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo

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