DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

-What value on whose future?

Some value on the future of anyone who hasn't got the cash to build their own fortress in fifty years time. I don't think anyone needs me to detail the 101 ways we are ushering in the apocalypse at this point.

Eh i dont buy it tbh. We'll revisit in 50 years things are v likely to be better than now on almost any measure you wish to apply.

It's possible, but not if we stay on the heading we are now.

Let's start with biodiversity. Hit me up as to how you see that improving.

(I know that we were talking about the future in human terms, but stick with me; biodiversity underpins our ability to feed ourselves.)

Actually let's not do this here, it's p. much out of scope for the UK politics thread.

Dint wanna say, cos tbh im relying on experts for most of the answers tbrr

I spent 12 solid months researching for a game set in a near-future apocalypse, and realised fairly quickly that a lot of the things I went into it thinking were lol fiction are all too likely to happen, have already happened, or are in the process of happening and cannot easily be stopped. Game never went into development ofc. I did get a short story out of it, so hey, silver linings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/01/eastleigh-byelection-voters-explain-ukip

One of the reasons I voted for Ukip is immigration. I'm worried about the dropping of the barrier in January. I fully expect 2-4 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come over. What's it going to be like? We're a small island. For me, we're full. It's not about race, it's about space. We haven't got the roads, we haven't got the infrastructure The future is 4 million Romanians stuck in a traffic jam on the M3.

The Tories have come in and they seem hamstrung by the Liberal Democrats. They can't get their policies through. So you will change this by voting UKIP?

It's important this country remains as good as it has always been. We can't keep letting our human and political rights filter away.
This seems strangely backwards - isn't the mantra supposed to be that our lives are ruined by courts of human rights and political correctness gone mad?

I'd always been a Conservative until about three years ago. We are no longer Great Britain. I did 22 years in the services fighting communism. For what? What did we achieve? Um....

We want out of Europe. The big local issue around here is lack of jobs. We don't seem to be able to find jobs for our younger people. I've got 12 grandchildren. When I look around, I think: 'Where are they going to find jobs, where are they going to find places to live?' I'm worried about crime as well. Come here on a Friday night, Saturday night, it's terrible when the pubs are turning out. Where are the boys in blue? Not to be seen. As soon as we get out of Europe there will be jobs for all and no more fighting at the weekend.

I haven't voted before but I've been impressed by Ukip. I drink in the Wagon Works pub where the party people have been having their dinner. They have talked to me about their policies and I agree with a lot of what they have told me.
Like what?
There's going to be more and more foreigners coming in and taking everything from us. It's diabolical. They come and get this and that.
Everything? This *and* that? It's difficult to refute such a specific claim.
We couldn't go to their country.
Um...why?

tbh I can't really adjust for all the evil that's been done in my name.

i hate everyone and everybody, does that count?

i really like people

8 months inside for the Huhne dawg

His and Hers matching sentences! But likely they'll be out in three months.

porridge is a dish best served cold

I've only just got round to reading the emails between Pryce and the Sunday Times journalist and... it's amazing how naive she is.

yeah what's that about? she had a QC neighbour advising her as well. "yeah, don't worry about it sure it'll be fine tbh."

Matt - could you summarize them in one or two sentences for those too time-pressed/lazy to do their own research? And whatever his sons text messages said too please?

And whatever his sons text messages said too please?

iirc "Fuck off Dad, I hate you".

"why the fuck is our name still huhne u twat x"

Most lol/sad thing about the father/son texts was CHuhne's inability to escape political "I hear your concerns but let's be reasonable" speak when his own son is telling him to fuck off for breaking up the family.

texts neatly summarized here

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/05/article-2273507-175B7CB1000005DC-565_634x459.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/05/article-2273507-17595797000005DC-954_634x470.jpg

i'd have more respect for Peter Huhne if the relationship broke down cos his dad was a Lib Dem

Peter Huhne, ILX display name generator.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md7sgc7t2A1rzmyd7o1_500.jpg

i KNEW it reminded me of something..

phone hacking?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/05/article-2273507-175B7CB1000005DC-565_634x459.jpg

it feels weird that these are allowed to be published

(i see that it was revealed in court)

Objecting to phone hacking is so last year

What a twunt David Burrowes is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/14/eric-joyce-arrested-commons-brawl

Again? That's literally two weeks after the first pub banning order expired.

Two weeks? That's a long celebration...

More on the Return of the Scuffler

Shouldn't laugh but:

"I can vividly remember a policeman's hat rolling on the ground towards me as I was watching this scene unfold."

Bertie Wooster on the trouble at the Drones Club

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/15/dwp-law-change-jobseekers-poundland

just when i think i can't hate these cunts more they go and pull some completely indefensible shit like this because they know they can get away with it

LIKE OMG YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE LAW RETROACTIVELY TO MAKE YOUR OWN ILLEGAL ACTIONS LEGAL

except apparently you can

The Guardian understands that Labour will support the fast-tracked bill with some further safeguards and that negotiations with the coalition are ongoing.

ffs

our "opposition" can fuck off as well

They'll do this, but they won't retrospectively decriminalise swapping speeding points to keep Chris Huhne out of prison. Huh.

further safeguards

PHEW FOR A MINUTE THERE I WAS WORRIED

what, the lib dem bloke? (xpost)

Does Labour not want to be in government, then? Do they just not want people voting for them?

What's the use - the opinion polls say having people's futures pulled out from underneath them isn't as important as sticking one to the Germans, so, as somebody else said way upthread (can't remember who), the degradation and oppression will continue until Britain goes broke, or starves, or drowns, since that seems to be what most British people want.

tbf the opinion polls suggest the government is pretty unpopular right now. Which is why it's even more nonsensical for Labour to be having any truck with Gauleiter Duncan Smith's banana republic bullshit.

Shitting on the unemployed is probably the single most popular thing the government is doing right now.

Presumably this both can and will be challenged?

The people who hate benefit claimants that much aren't going to vote labour anyway. Labour has nothing to gain, and much to lose if they support this.

Also getting flashbacks to that 'Thick of It' episode where Rebecca Front announces her support for some hardline government policy in order to show how tough and realistic she can be, when the same time the government abandons the policy because of its toxic unpopularity.

do you think people like this watch TTOI and if so are they oblivious to its central messages?

The people who hate benefit claimants that much aren't going to vote labour anyway

I doubt this very much

Labour voters are all delightful vegan anarcho-socialists who want their unemployed brothers and sisters to have a good standard of living, surely?

Oh no, not the... sarcasm.

your average Labour voter wd have no truck with dead-eyed right wing authoritarians like Frank Field or Jack Cunningham or Jack Straw or Yvette Cooper