Waht exactly that accomplishes security wise when I have been able to wipe & reinstall the machine many times without being asked for it(??) I am not sure, but it said "security" so I added it.
That above post is a shining example of "things not to try when you should have been going to sleep already"... embarrased.
Anyway, in the process I finally realised (after some googling) putting Linux on this thing isn't going to be feasible after all. The WIFI will NEVER work, because Apple/The airport card manufacturers simply won't allow drivers to be written for it for other people.
So finally I have my definitive reason to sell it. Goodbye iBook.
APPLE ARE YOU READING THIS? THE 'FINDER' IS *SO* BROKEN THIS EX-WINDOWS USER CANNOT, AFTER MONTHS OF TRYING TO ADJUST, LIVE WITH IT ON A DAILY BASIS WITHOUT -EXTREME- FRUSTRATIONS AND IS ACTUALLY (NOW i CAN'T USE LINUX INSTEAD) GOING TO GO AS FAR AS REVERTING TO THE INTEL/WINDOWS WORLD WITH A LOSS OF MONEY TO MYSELF & PUT UP WITH VIRUSES & INSTABILITY & CRAP OF WINDOWS... BECAUSE IT'S _STILL_ A BETTER ALTERNATIVE TO TRYING TO USE THE (OTHERWISE GREBT!) OS X OPERATING SYSTEM WITH A *MIND-BOGGLINGLY AWFUL FILE BROWSER*. AND SOME OTHER PROBLEMS, BUT THEY ARE SMALL BEER IN COMPARISON TO THE 'FINDER' ISSUE.
(the finder 'alternatives' ALL suck massively too)
― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link
there used to be a cute "genius" but i don't see her around today.
― mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link
Without it being fixed, replaced or viable alternatives becoming available. It actually IS enough to make me switch platforms unfortunately. The whole Apple users always downplaying it's importance (and the importance of anything else wrong with OS X - see,hear,speak no evil about it) is something I find kind of hilarious.
― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link
http://daringfireball.net/2003/05/steaming_pilehttp://daringfireball.net/2002/11/that_finder_thing
If it works for you, I'm happy! But I find it genuinely un-liveable-with. Ho hum.
― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link
have you tried pathfinder, fandango? i think it's sweet. you can even quit the finder while you're running it.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost ?
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link
Pathfinder didn't really solve all my issues Tracer, it felt to me like what it was: a buggier, overfeatured & inconsistently thought-out, third-party replacement for something that shouldn't need replacing.
I mean I know some people have problems with (for comparison) Windows Explorer's performance & bugs... but I never ever got to the point of desperately wanting to try alternative shells like I did with 'Finder'.
― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link
Do you have a logitech mouse?
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link
What's probably happening to you Tracer is that when you click on the file, you're telling the window to redraw it's contents, which often will change file positions, and always creates a weird second copy of the file for a second, so if you just double click, things are moving around, you'll get files you don't want.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link
the most pervasive problems with OSX aren't issues once you realize that that the window contents don't update right away.
this is fucking stupid too
― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link
This IS ass-backwards, but it's fixed in Tiger apparently.
― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link
jon, i'm not using a mouse at the moment, i'm using the trackpad.
xpost right.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link
Picking the selection up by the icon in this view always works.
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link
eh? i always view files this way, and i never have any problems moving them around.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link
it's called "[tracer] - hard disk - 1998 - mac os"
what struck me was how neat and organized everything was. everything in subdivided folders. everything in its place. i had added little icons to everything. i think i know why. because i got to choose where everything went. with os x you don't get to choose. it chooses for you. now i've got like 80 files on the desktop, two different "tmp" folders... yeesh.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link
where i think apple went wrong in the beginning is not offering a quick guide to the fundamental differences between OS9 (and below) and OS X. i knew just enough about unix to be very wary of moving anything in X; where a lot of users went wrong in the early days was by blithely shifting vital folders from place to place and renaming them, then wondering why their entire system had fallen over.
i'm not saying the finder's perfect: it annoys me the way icons on the desktop occasionally get moved around, for instance. but, er, this happened before X as well. i mean, i'm writing this on an OS9 machine at work - i can't do any work because uShare has just died, meaning we've lost access to all our unix mounts - and i would give anything to be using X.
fandango, if you're really going to go back to a windows box: i wish you luck. but i think, in the long term, you'll have made a big mistake. still, like i've said to you before: horses, courses etc ;)
ooh: that's the servers back up. back to work.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link
exactly. this is what made the original mac os so wonderful and what inspired such bizarre loyalty. as long as you didn't mess around with the mysterious "system" folder you could do whatever you damn pleased.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link
Dan: Nice idea, but aliases don't resolve correctly between cocoa/carbon -- and cocoa does it by fucking STRINGS, so you can end up with folders that won't open. The finder is really, really woeful and I won't defend it for a minute.
― stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
exactly. i navigate nimbly through the unix-ness with a series of aliases that take me exactly where i want to go. and i'm running two machines, each with two users and all the shared items/permissions stuff that brings.
(i have just thought of something i HATE about the way it handles aliases to files on shared mounts, but fuck it. i don't expect perfection, yet with OS X i think i'm about 80 per cent of the way there. OS 9 was 60%. windows is in the low 40s.)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link
As for aliases, they're a *complete joke* -- you can't make them to anything other than local disks, and they resolve to the file-in-that-place first, unlike the OS 9 ones, which kept track of the actual file and where you'd moved it. The brain-dead behaviour is now universal ... EXCEPT ONLY SOMETIMES, because apps using FSRef (the good old OS 9 system) WORK CORRECTLY. The inconsistency is the worst bit. Grrrr. For the v. technical: http://rentzsch.com/macosx/pathmaxBlackholing
Stationery: also fucked. If you set something to be a stationery pad, then open it, it creates a copy first then opens that. No more folders of template documents then, Apple?
― stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link
In the long term, they might have switched over to an intel architecture, and, FIXED THE FUCKING FINDER. Maybe they'll even allow me to do something about the bizzare window management *chuckles* :-)
However, until hell freezes over, I'm far more content typing this from a Windows box and have had NO REGRETS about switching back.
― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link
isn't that what it always did? i know i could check, but i'm busy.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link
The new way, it copies it then opens it. So if you Apple-S, it saves to, say, "GF'S Bad Service Template -1" in the "GF's Complaints Letters" folder without asking. If that folder is locked -- like the Designer Masters are at work -- it fails! Silently!.
― stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost
While we've got the hedz here, anybody have a good solution for fucking FONTS? I use Suitcase, but all my fonts are on an external drive. Suitcase forgets what it's activated, for some reason, so I have to go turn on the sets I want every time I restart. That doesn't happen for fonts on the local drive.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link
Yes, why are fonts on an external drive? And if suitcase is forgetting, either your suitcase is fucked or the preferences are set wrong. Whatever fonts I open stay open untill I close them.
Now I have a problem with autoactivation with Quark, but am pretty sure it's a bug with Quark, which is a TRULY problematic application I've come to learn to live with.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link