'...and DON'T *bleep* IT UP!' -- the RuPaul's Drag Race thread

Lol wow

Almost caught up on S5 now yay!

Every single time Alyssa glams up for the runway all I think is JOAN COLLINS JOAN COLLINS JOAN COLLINS

I don't know why but I think I like Detox. Jinkx is great but I dunno if the unglam thing is going to hold out for her or not. I love her for it, but it could wear thin.

I will say this, have started following her on FB -- win or lose she seems to be having a blast and is booked for other live appearances and things and more this year already, so I like to think of her as winning already!

Meanwhile, it's a little surprising to see such a mostly white group at this point. Not that I think the show is biased, appears to be more luck of the draw season by season in terms of who survives.

that little edie impersonation was fuckin awesome in the last ep. too bad her fashion totally sucks.

I found s2 streaming on Amazon Prime, so yaaaay

Meantime:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/02/27/drag_race_grey_gardens_and_jinx_monsoon_why_the_queens_need_camp.html

I do have to quibble with some of the assertions there -- while Sharon's success in 4 is great, in 3 Raja was more than a little disruptive herself -- as was Manila really; if anything Alexis was the one let go at the end precisely for being full pageant.

I haven't watched all the seasons, but I don't get the impression that they are only seeking pageant or necessarily favoring that. And while I noticed the lack of "camp history" in the S5 girls, isn't there an argument that maybe a lot of queens are trying to let go of that, like that cliche of teens not wanting to know about older music? I mean, I'm bummed that they don't know who Little Edie is but maybe when they see Jinkxs win they go find out. And it doesn't mean they're any more terrible for what they don't know of their history. If anything, it's kind of fabulous that they all came to that same place *without* it.
I dunno. That article seemed a little too buttclenched.

Related but I think better expressed post, linked off the official site

http://www.newnownext.com/drag-race-jinkx-monsoon-snatch-game-little-edie/02/2013/

Oh and in checking Twitter Alyssa DID apologize to Ms. Perry.

Also this exchange is interesting (notice it's everyone else BUT Jinkx and Michelle who get riled up -- and as Michelle notes, in noting the obvious, there's always editing).

https://twitter.com/JinkxMonsoon/status/306550634079977473

This is better than what they showed on the show:

http://www.newnownext.com/jinkx-monsoon-little-edie-rupauls-drag-race/02/2013/

My Top 5 Snatch Game contestants from all seasons:

1. Sharon Needles as Michelle Visage
2. Pandora Boxx as Carole Channing
3. Tatianna as Britney Spears
4. Jinkx Monsoon as Little Edie
5. Alexis Matteo as Alicia Keys

Only three eps in (S5; no previous exposure to the show). Anyone care to rank the hottest queens out of drag? So far from S5 I'm into Lineysha and, oddly, Ivy.

xpost I just watched the S2 Snatch Game, Pandora's Carol Channing was hysterical, so good.

Lineysha's gorgeous. Ivy's not a crazy answer either, that bone structure really is something else. I was thinking about her terrible Marilyn and found myself wondering why the hell she didn't do Joan Rivers. Eh. Hindsight

Yes she would've been a great Joan Rivers!

Yeah, I know this is probably the exact rongest angle to take on the show, but I'm finding it very interesting navigating my impressions/levels of attraction to certain contestants when they're in drag vs. when they're not in drag.

Alyssa's *almost* attractive but it's like her lips are too big for her and she keeps tripping over them when she talks. Beautiful eyes though.

Coco's blue contacts freak me out. I keep expecting them to shoot lasers

Haha Alyssa looks like Will Arnett in AND out of drag.

Hottest out of drag:

S1: Jade
S2: Tyra, Raven
S3: Raja, Carmen, Mariah
S4: PhiPhi, Lashauwn
S5: Lineysha

xp otm

Well, actually, in drag he often reminds me of Hugo Weaving.

xpost elmo otm! Defnitely Will Arnett out of drag. In drag as mentioned upthread I just get constant Joan Collins, lol

in drag he she

Sorry.

Raven from Season 2 was pretty stunning out of drag. Tyra's crooked eyebrow drove me insane, but otherwise: gorgeous.

That Salon article is really kind of awful, though?

"as far as I’m concerned, until the other ladies stop reading each other long enough to read a book" hey wow stfu

shades of Serena ChaCha

yeah the more I think about it the more the condescension in that article really annoys me

xxp Yeah, it was that very same strategy that earned Serena the lowest berth of the Untucked gangpile.

Still, I def agree with the recapper Ned shared, pointing out ignorance alone isn't a NAGL, but having *pride in ignorance* is kthxbye.

there is a grand heritage of cult & camp in gay culture & in drag, but i honestly don't think it's fair to set up grey gardens as some sort of shibboleth of queer culture as so many commenters seem to be doing in their reactions

Interesting tidbit about Honey Mahogany's sequined kaftan-dress

http://sfist.com/2013/02/19/borrowed_kaftan_costs_sfs_only_cont.php

Though honestly anyone saying that the dresses are the only reason she went home are deluuuuuuuusional. She was beautiful but hardly a force of nature performance-wise

oops, spoilers I guess? sorry

older queens are shocked, just SHOCKED that the new generation of gays doesn't share their choice of idols! the Salon article reminded me of this article from last year, in which the writer clutches his pearls and bemoans the waning of judy garland worship

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/arts/judy-garland-gay-idol-then-and-over-the-rainbow-now.html

Meh, I wouldn't have had her pegged for the top 5 or anything.

Not at all. Good legs though.

LOL, that NYT column author's friend seems like boyfriend material to me.

I'm 3/4 the way through S2 -- I know that Tyra won but is it just me or does she give off low-level sociopath vibes? Something about the flat affect in the way she talks is just kind of 'off' for me. Or she's just super-immature. Either way, whoa.

i do love jinkx and not just for little edie but ESPECIALLY for little edie

I'm especially fond of his non-aggression.

Really hope she wins, but Michelle Visage really has it out for Jinkx.

water off a duck's back

OMG

http://25.media.tumblr.com/4580bd32abea1b86a72c188600e56325/tumblr_miyhfwGBYR1rhzliao1_500.gif

haha there is a video on her site where jinkx talks about the formative influence of death becomes her

afaic, that movie did as much to mold my camp sensibilities as anything by Paul Morrissey or John Waters (both of which I came to much later)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwvF3RAirVc

Tyra starts the season really bitchy and defensive but ends up being really sweet. The strangest turnaround. (x-post)

http://www.newnownext.com/rupauls-drag-race-preview-jinkx-monsoon-rolaskatox/03/2013/

Drag Race All Stars 11 preview out - as often wondering what the criteria is for an All Star - some always make obvious sense, others I guess show is interested in how they have developed, others - I could not even remember their names which is not auspicious - could also be seasons where my interest waned (remember 14 & 16 cited and when saw runways remembered but names were not there)

So - Lucky Starzzz - probably most interested in and rooting for as got chopped so early

Morgan - I enjoy Morgan, so ok, already had few chances but fine, wondering if producers are setting us up to hope for a redux of Mystique/Morgan drama from S2 to get us to watch only to watch them have a love fest

Akeria C Davenport incidentally reminded me of a peeve of mine from season just concluded - Akeria describes herself as the Diahann Carroll of drag and when Athena did the 80s runway as Joan Collins - I was very annoyed that Ru, Michelle, no-one clocked her for using the line ‘this champagne is burnt’ as that was NOT a Joan Collins/Alexis Colby line but was a read by Dominique Deveraux/Diahann (‘I want to be the first black bitch on TV’) Carroll in their first meeting. Unforgivable imo and Athena should have been docked points for that alone.

Kennedy Davenport is back! Guess having roast named in your honor is no substitute for a crown.

Most I just feel like ‘ehh, fine’ or ‘ok’ - guess we’ll see what happens next

Yeah it’s a mix but it is a nice way to showcase more from the ever growing back catalog. Definitely had a couple of “I…sorta remember?” moments. Mystique, April, Shuga, Vivacious and Lucky are among my “Hey, great to see them again!” choices.

I know the needles and the peptides and the stacks or whatever are incredible these days and everyone looks ageless and sculpted, but man, Vivacious really looks amazing.

April Carrión clearly left no impression on me at all, neither did Aura Mayari. I do not remember either of them.

Delighted to see Kennedy and Akeria again. There are few things greater on Drag Race than Kennedy's Little Richard.

so just for fun, and to reinforce my point, the Diahann Carroll/Joan Collins Dynasty meet - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7hTFqBmHH0

While we wait on All Stars — I am not pleased by this news.

https://ew.com/drag-queen-katya-hospitalized-11961928

No, that's bad.

I’ve watched the first 2 eps of new AllStars — enjoying it! forgot how much I love Akeria. her drag, her commentary, her no bullshit Texas-ity.

Lucky is doing great already - that makes me happy too!

Mystique’s plan to feel her way into the game is very sadly misjudged. I’ve been enjoying her but also want to shake her like Girl! Get going!

I like Dawn’s drag but all of her and Morphine’s two faced bitchiness just reminds me of why I hated their season (Nymphia was the only thing that kept me going)

and someone needs to tell Morphine that how you get points is WIN challenges. All this whining that no one’s giving her points when she does literally fuck all except whine that she’s not magically getting them.

It would help her, yes. But will she learn?

Dawn seems on a glide path at least.

Some further hilarity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3bjlhFICEY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4h1CF6MnsA

Bob’s impression of Morphine made me lol so hard

Truly perfect!

Man, that challenge was TERRIBLE. And how have you never heard the word kosher?

Yeah it was pretty dumb. Akeria made me laugh though.

Yeah, she was great. And her French look was fantastic too.

Incredible - she ascended to a whole new level this season

Really great. She’s got some moments here too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2snuACJQiw

Michelle Visage’s critiques on family resemblance in makeover challenges = Mr Burns & Don Mattingly’s sideburns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMzeznCyX8w

LADY NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

It's crazy. I mean, surely she has to accept that the people are NOT going to be exactly identical? Does her sister look EXACTLY like her? (I don't know if she has a sister.)

This was the best challenge they've had so far on this season. By some distance.

Yeah it was great! And the untucked episode was actually good too! Kinda hate all the mvq point babble normally but in this case it was at least good tv

Very entertaining TV, that's for sure!

Somebody should tip Kennedy off to the fact that we don't say "fish" anymore on the main stage.

Can we just give it to Sam & Kennedy. I don’t gaf about any of these other queens in this bracket. Why is Joey Jay here? Ugh.

.. because she makes Ru laugh.

the whole point system as a vehicle for pseudo drama is tiring. tired of points, tired of hearing them talk about points. can we have a show about DRAG?

i donno, just do a round table ala Traitors and have the queens banish a queen each week or something.

Aw, I like Joey. But I firmly agree that this is a super tired format. Stop explaining the rules to me, too. I know the rules.

I actually wonder if the points thing is an attempt to make it more like a “game” like Survivor or Big Brother where they vote strategically. A couple of times on Traitors other people have said that they don’t know whether or not to ally with queens because they’re not Housewives and they’re not “gamers”. Maybe they honestly think this is what people want? But we don’t want it. Or if we do, we want it done better than this.