Magic: The Gathering C/D

so
unblockable rogues
drakewing
raptor
shadow slice
call of the nightwing
nimbus swimmer
the 2/2 flying artifact

+ removal / crocs / walls

that seems viable. is it draftable?

sure, you just draft simic and scoop up some of the splashable dimir cards that slip through due to underdrafting. simic cards are less splashable so i wouldn't do it the other way around

that makes sense

i've really had no luck splashing anything in this set. RTR was so much different.

it's more dangerous since the format's like half a turn faster but it's still doable

lamp, contaminated ground has a distinct and useful place, and that is versus the verdant haven deck. i will happily pick it when the unplayable piles start coming around, and will happy side all of mine in against those decks.

isn't the card generally stronger if you drop it turn one or two tho vs 'making two mana more expensive'

the card is always good. always

i would rather play the frenzied tilling/structural collapse deck

i want frenzied tilling to be better than it is. i still like it tho. land destruction is by far one of my favorite magic strategies and i really wish i could've played when sinkhole was legal. i actually traded for judge foil sinkhole cuz i really just like that card so much

also general thread qn: do any of you collect magic cards, apart from playing them?

i keep a 'collection' of all my old cards from mirage/tempest/urza's blocks because i love that era of the game a lot, but it's all commons/uncommons/junk rares. i never had many money cards and the ones i did got traded away for standard stuff a couple years ago when i started playing more competetively.

i don't think legacy has a bright future as a format and i don't enjoy it as much as modern, so if i ever buy/trade for old cards it's for nostalgia value and not utilitarian value.

cider are you planning on going to gp providence?

yeah that's the team one in june right? i live in boston so i'm almost definitely going.

yeah its team limited

actually wait i'm gonna be in europe that weekend, so not going, damn

:(

Went 1-0-2 tonight with a real silly orzhov deck that was really good at stalling, but not very good at winning.

Beckon apparition
2x shadow alley denizen
2x dutiful thrill
Syndic of tithes
Blind obedience foil
Contaminated ground
Gutter skulk
Vizkopa guildmage
Cartel aristocrat
Orzhov charm
2x executioner's swing
Orzhov keyrune
2x corpse blockade
Basilica guards
Boros reckoner
Millennial gargoyle
Zarichi tiger
Grisly spectacle
Vizkopa confessor
Merciless eviction
Orzhov Guildgate
6 swamps
9 plains

Reckoner was a pure hate draft but it ended up being quite a powerhouse in this deck

reckoner shoulda been a pure money draft!

I first picked aurelia but also ended up in orzhov last night. I had a pretty sweet deck but lost to a dimir deck in the finals, as cosmic retribution for all my dimir shit talk itt. someone ended up third due to other ppls stupid ties.

3 kingpin's pet
high priest of penance
syndic
guildmage
screecher
basilica guards
2 dutiful thrull
keyrune
assault griffin
zarichi tiger
guardian of the gateless
2 smite
2 angelic edict
grisly spectacle
executioner's swing
orz charm
shadow slice
merciless eviction

I really wish I had seen some copies of kingpin's pet. I was sorely lacking good evasive guys to hit with.

yeah that's usually how I won, but the dimir deck could stop me w/ those stupid 2/3 spies

someone ended up in third = somehow ended up in third

someone = me

so 7th pick Soul Ransom and 8th pick Dinrova Horror means Dimir is pretty open huh?

yeah I grabbed like a 10th pick dinrova horror last draft just in case dimir was open but it didn't end up being the case

I've seen bane alley brokers go like 12th pick

thinking about running this. but i'm not sure if i'm too ambitious on running 4 Deaths Approach or the high end stuff. I don't have much Cipher at all so I feel like I kind need some finishers.

http://i.imgur.com/B0ijkCG.jpg

shadow slice is a must

think its a better finisher than mind grind or the lord?

absolutely

mind grind is always ambitious tho your deck really does have enough graveyard stuff that you could imagine it being useful as a not-win-condition

lord a little too ambitious

I'd also consider keymaster over one of the 4 death's approaches...they do work better in batches but they also work worse in batches. you might end up w/ 2 in an opening hand and never have a chance to get something graveyarded.

maybe even the sprite. you have a cool deck but def leave yourself open if you don't have a fast start.

thats what i was thinking w/ mind grind. you don't really need to win with it. but then again Paranoid Delusions may be a better card in that spot. I'll probably side out Lord for the Faerie, at least.

Keymaster I'm not too sure of...don't really reliably have much to return with it. Plus without Cipher its upside is not really worth it.

also I'm going 11 swamp 6 island. this is a problem because I'm on my third game and haven't drawn an island before turn 6 yet

paranoid delusions doesn't have the same win-cond upside tho. (I mean it sorta does.)

yeah keymaster prob less important than the faerie

I think your worst matchup is gruul. ember beast or the 4/4 trample dude will be rough.

I don't know if this is 'correct' as they say but I def go for more even land ratios than the colors dictate. I would prob be 10/7 there, possibly 9/8.

i did 11/6 because i always wind up short on black mana w/ extort. usually I wont do that. that said I don't have much cipher/extort going on so yeah 10/7 is probably best.

i've played dimir vs gruul before and you're right, it's not a good matchup. i actually find it easier to nerf the smaller/quicker stuff that boros gets out.

pretty easy 3-0 with it, too. lost two games due to not getting my 3rd land but every other game was pretty easy. beat Boros and Simic, then wound up in finals vs. a B/R/W super removal/extort deck which was obnoxious because he dropped a bunch of 1/1s that I had to deal with. Dinrova Horror was by far the MVP here since it kept taking out dudes w/ enchantments and giving them a hard decision afterwards. definitely did not regret playing 4 Deaths Approaches, by the way

btw it was Mind Grind that won me that final match. neither one of us could really do anything so I just hit him for 6 with that and that was game.

so looks like cider's deck is pretty good...

haha i lost to my own deck at gameday the other day, complete with the 1-of skarrg guildmage. i was playing the undercity informer reanimator combo deck that ended up the GP finals the next day. it was pretty weird.

I had such a crazy sealed pool at the GP. 2 Daring Skyjek, 3 Ember Beast, Sunhome Guildmage, 2 Martial Glory, Mugging, Syndic of Tithes, and then Wrecking Ogre, Angelic Skirmisher, and Glaring Spotlight to top it off. The deck built itself, apart from the decision to splash green for Swine and Rampager (which I did). Was 8-1 after day 1 and I was so excited I had a hard time sleeping because I had a really good shot at finishing in the money. Naturally, I lost the two sealed rounds on day 2, and despite drafting a good Boros deck, I lost two close matches with it. At that point I was out of contention for money and we wanted to get home so I dropped, but I'm happy I got to taste day 2 again.

Maybe I should have forced Dimir in that draft after all. It was way underdrafted, I stole an 11th pick Deathcult Rogue from someone. But when your first four picks are Boros Reckoner, Sunhome Guildmage, Daring Skyjek, Angelic Edict, you feel pretty locked in from the start.

cider, is your deck the Jund one that took several of the top slots in Quebec?

nobody drafted dimir in the final 8

Vinnie it was the naya humans deck that won, though i had ghor-clan rampager instead of giant growth

Nice! That deck looks extremely fun to play.

attn Lamp: there's a grixis delver/duskmantle seer deck that's popped up on MTGO in the past few days:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/5061652
5th place here

20 instants/sorceries is a bit light for blind delver flipping but i'm going to give it a try since duskmantle seer and desperate ravings are 2 of my favorite underplayed cards in standard

yeah i've played a lot with that list - i 4-0'd a daily on friday w/it in fact. but i played it this weekend and it was kind of a bust although it was largely my fault, there a couple of times that i savagely misplayed and a bunch of times i took suboptimal lines trying to be too aggressive with the deck. it shades way closer to the control side of aggro-control i think and i don't think its really a delver list. or maybe i just had terrible luck w/him. i was thinking about trying to run artistocrats in the list although i don't love what that does to the curve. but i often found myself really wanting that type of threat when i was playing it.

also overgrown battlement seems to be creeping its way back into modern which makes me happy. both standard and modern feel really open right now

putting charlotte's record number in context: http://imgur.com/a/nEqiw

and - worth noting I think - this was disposable spending during a huge recession

if they don't fuck up the next block there's a lot of potential growth still there I think

yeah it's incredible how much mtg has grown lately despite being a more expensive form of gaming than video games etc.