i try to play around the 2/1 goblin since it's usually a worse creature than whatever i'm blocking with, but otherwise i'm fine playing into bloodrush if i have a blocker that's not too important to my board state.
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 17:12 (thirteen years ago)
I almost always play into bloodrush w/ the assumption that I'm trading for the midsize creature in their hand
― iatee, Friday, 22 February 2013 17:13 (thirteen years ago)
i do too. even the 2/1 goblin. if you get hit with it, at least you know they have the crappy 2/1 goblin in their deck
― frogbs, Friday, 22 February 2013 17:14 (thirteen years ago)
sadly that card isn't even crappy in this format, or at least it's better than i thought it was going to be
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 17:15 (thirteen years ago)
yeah i feel like slaughterhorn and skineater golbin are the ones i least like to play into partly because they only cast one mana so your opponent isnt losing as much tempo to kill yr 2/3 .
― kill yuppies (Lamp), Friday, 22 February 2013 17:18 (thirteen years ago)
i really want the ruination wurm deck to be good but there's just no good ways for gruul to protect its large creatures from smite etc. which is such a blowout on a 6 mana creature even if it's a 1 for 1 trade
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 17:41 (thirteen years ago)
alpha authority is the only card i see that does this but it feels too narrow since you can only run a few of the types of creature it's good on
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 17:42 (thirteen years ago)
yeah iatee and i were trying to come up with viable niche/corner draft strategies and RUG ramp was the only thing that really came to mind, and even that seems really bad because you just aren't doing enough turns 1-3 to stop half the decks in the format. and then you can still get blown out by a single grisly spectacle or smite
― kill yuppies (Lamp), Friday, 22 February 2013 17:44 (thirteen years ago)
i am going to make contaminated ground work though, i swear to god
― kill yuppies (Lamp), Friday, 22 February 2013 17:45 (thirteen years ago)
what about alpha authority in a cipher deck?
― iatee, Friday, 22 February 2013 17:45 (thirteen years ago)
it's not worth a card just for the hexproof if that's what you mean
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 17:51 (thirteen years ago)
yeah I just meant as a nichey strategy, let's say you got two and had strong evasion and some of the more powerful cipher stuff?
I want to discover a viable BUG deck
― iatee, Friday, 22 February 2013 17:54 (thirteen years ago)
shadow slice on drakewing krasis
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 17:58 (thirteen years ago)
crackling perimeter is probably my favorite gimmick card in the set
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:04 (thirteen years ago)
sounblockable roguesdrakewingraptorshadow slicecall of the nightwingnimbus swimmerthe 2/2 flying artifact
+ removal / crocs / walls
that seems viable. is it draftable?
― iatee, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:04 (thirteen years ago)
sure, you just draft simic and scoop up some of the splashable dimir cards that slip through due to underdrafting. simic cards are less splashable so i wouldn't do it the other way around
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:06 (thirteen years ago)
that makes sense
― iatee, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:06 (thirteen years ago)
i've really had no luck splashing anything in this set. RTR was so much different.
― frogbs, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:25 (thirteen years ago)
it's more dangerous since the format's like half a turn faster but it's still doable
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:35 (thirteen years ago)
lamp, contaminated ground has a distinct and useful place, and that is versus the verdant haven deck. i will happily pick it when the unplayable piles start coming around, and will happy side all of mine in against those decks.
― cocktail onion (fennel cartwright), Friday, 22 February 2013 18:52 (thirteen years ago)
isn't the card generally stronger if you drop it turn one or two tho vs 'making two mana more expensive'
― iatee, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:55 (thirteen years ago)
the card is always good. always
― kill yuppies (Lamp), Friday, 22 February 2013 18:56 (thirteen years ago)
i would rather play the frenzied tilling/structural collapse deck
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 19:06 (thirteen years ago)
i want frenzied tilling to be better than it is. i still like it tho. land destruction is by far one of my favorite magic strategies and i really wish i could've played when sinkhole was legal. i actually traded for judge foil sinkhole cuz i really just like that card so much
also general thread qn: do any of you collect magic cards, apart from playing them?
― kill yuppies (Lamp), Friday, 22 February 2013 19:07 (thirteen years ago)
i keep a 'collection' of all my old cards from mirage/tempest/urza's blocks because i love that era of the game a lot, but it's all commons/uncommons/junk rares. i never had many money cards and the ones i did got traded away for standard stuff a couple years ago when i started playing more competetively.
i don't think legacy has a bright future as a format and i don't enjoy it as much as modern, so if i ever buy/trade for old cards it's for nostalgia value and not utilitarian value.
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 19:16 (thirteen years ago)
cider are you planning on going to gp providence?
― kill yuppies (Lamp), Friday, 22 February 2013 19:19 (thirteen years ago)
yeah that's the team one in june right? i live in boston so i'm almost definitely going.
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 19:20 (thirteen years ago)
yeah its team limited
― kill yuppies (Lamp), Friday, 22 February 2013 19:21 (thirteen years ago)
actually wait i'm gonna be in europe that weekend, so not going, damn
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 19:24 (thirteen years ago)
:(
― iatee, Friday, 22 February 2013 19:25 (thirteen years ago)
Went 1-0-2 tonight with a real silly orzhov deck that was really good at stalling, but not very good at winning.
Beckon apparition2x shadow alley denizen2x dutiful thrillSyndic of tithesBlind obedience foilContaminated groundGutter skulkVizkopa guildmageCartel aristocratOrzhov charm2x executioner's swingOrzhov keyrune 2x corpse blockadeBasilica guardsBoros reckonerMillennial gargoyleZarichi tigerGrisly spectacleVizkopa confessor Merciless eviction Orzhov Guildgate6 swamps9 plains
― Moodles, Saturday, 23 February 2013 07:33 (thirteen years ago)
Reckoner was a pure hate draft but it ended up being quite a powerhouse in this deck
― Moodles, Saturday, 23 February 2013 07:35 (thirteen years ago)
reckoner shoulda been a pure money draft!
I first picked aurelia but also ended up in orzhov last night. I had a pretty sweet deck but lost to a dimir deck in the finals, as cosmic retribution for all my dimir shit talk itt. someone ended up third due to other ppls stupid ties.
3 kingpin's pethigh priest of penancesyndic guildmage screecherbasilica guards2 dutiful thrullkeyruneassault griffinzarichi tiger guardian of the gateless2 smite2 angelic edictgrisly spectacleexecutioner's swingorz charmshadow slicemerciless eviction
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 15:20 (thirteen years ago)
I really wish I had seen some copies of kingpin's pet. I was sorely lacking good evasive guys to hit with.
― Moodles, Saturday, 23 February 2013 15:29 (thirteen years ago)
yeah that's usually how I won, but the dimir deck could stop me w/ those stupid 2/3 spies
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 15:31 (thirteen years ago)
someone ended up in third = somehow ended up in third
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 15:47 (thirteen years ago)
someone = me
so 7th pick Soul Ransom and 8th pick Dinrova Horror means Dimir is pretty open huh?
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:28 (thirteen years ago)
yeah I grabbed like a 10th pick dinrova horror last draft just in case dimir was open but it didn't end up being the case
I've seen bane alley brokers go like 12th pick
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:35 (thirteen years ago)
thinking about running this. but i'm not sure if i'm too ambitious on running 4 Deaths Approach or the high end stuff. I don't have much Cipher at all so I feel like I kind need some finishers.
http://i.imgur.com/B0ijkCG.jpg
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:40 (thirteen years ago)
shadow slice is a must
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:42 (thirteen years ago)
think its a better finisher than mind grind or the lord?
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:45 (thirteen years ago)
absolutely
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:45 (thirteen years ago)
mind grind is always ambitious tho your deck really does have enough graveyard stuff that you could imagine it being useful as a not-win-condition
lord a little too ambitious
I'd also consider keymaster over one of the 4 death's approaches...they do work better in batches but they also work worse in batches. you might end up w/ 2 in an opening hand and never have a chance to get something graveyarded.
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:50 (thirteen years ago)
maybe even the sprite. you have a cool deck but def leave yourself open if you don't have a fast start.
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:52 (thirteen years ago)
thats what i was thinking w/ mind grind. you don't really need to win with it. but then again Paranoid Delusions may be a better card in that spot. I'll probably side out Lord for the Faerie, at least.
Keymaster I'm not too sure of...don't really reliably have much to return with it. Plus without Cipher its upside is not really worth it.
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:57 (thirteen years ago)
also I'm going 11 swamp 6 island. this is a problem because I'm on my third game and haven't drawn an island before turn 6 yet
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:59 (thirteen years ago)
paranoid delusions doesn't have the same win-cond upside tho. (I mean it sorta does.)
yeah keymaster prob less important than the faerie
I think your worst matchup is gruul. ember beast or the 4/4 trample dude will be rough.
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 20:01 (thirteen years ago)
I don't know if this is 'correct' as they say but I def go for more even land ratios than the colors dictate. I would prob be 10/7 there, possibly 9/8.
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 20:04 (thirteen years ago)
i did 11/6 because i always wind up short on black mana w/ extort. usually I wont do that. that said I don't have much cipher/extort going on so yeah 10/7 is probably best.
i've played dimir vs gruul before and you're right, it's not a good matchup. i actually find it easier to nerf the smaller/quicker stuff that boros gets out.
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 20:14 (thirteen years ago)