london restaurants

http://theperfecttrough.blogspot.com.es/2013/02/lucky-fried-chicken-at-grafton-arms.html

^^^ Just taking the piss now.

ha, how about this (summary: 1. stick food from long-running pub thai kitchen in heated serving dishes. 2. stick dishes under awning outside pub. 3. tweet about your new on-trend street food stall. 4. profit.)

https://twitter.com/se1/status/304927921024409601/photo/1

why "just taking the piss". lucky chip is generally really good, have you ever been? if they do chicken well then great. grafton arms is a nice pub too and the food there was already pretty good so why not.

or is this just this thread's vague hipster bashing #103837

i like fried chicken, food seems reasonably priced, would give it a go

Lucky Chip is really good, way better than standard London burger and chips, but I think the point is there's no commensurate improvement on standard high street dirty chicken.

(And taking their punters for idiots in the process)

It's not as if they're the only one's doing that or it's some mad new gimmick, there are several fried chicken places around now.

And I disagree actually. There's an equivalent type of hipster restaurant in Dublin that does fried chicken and it is amazing, it can be done to an excellent standard. I've not been to any of the new places so I don't know if they reach that standard but I'd be willing to try.

xpost "taking their punters for idiots" - weirdly strong way of putting it, but you know, fuck hipsters and [their mindless preconceptions, they really ought to think before just following a herd mentality about things.

yeah i have a lil bit of faith in lucky chip

this girl seems to like it - http://lizzieeatslondon.blogspot.com/2013/02/lucky-fried-chicken.html

LOL @ the prices on that menu

On reflection though, yes, the London chicken shop has reached the pinnacle of what can be done with fried chicken. You know when the chicken costs about 50p per piece they're pulling out all the stops.

£12.50 for enough for 2 ppl seems ok to me?

(xp)

The prices are about 3 quid more than KFC.

BUT THE CHICKEN. It was glorious. Crisp spicy crust, giving way to unbelievably juicy meat, all the way down to the bone. It must have been brined. I had to get a knife and fork as the chicken was too hot to put my face but I was too impatient to wait.

don't muddy the waters by mocking someone's writing!

is the chicken free-range, or at least 'free-range'

It can be done to an excellent standard but probably not if you're just aping KFC. Although I will freely admit to liking bog standard dirty fried chicken, it is the king of fast foods, but paying twice the price for basically the same food in nicer surroundings is just stupid. If the seasoning is exceptional or up there with the best American stuff then fair enough but this doesn't seem to be case here?

if people want to sell boutique fried chicken then whatever, the kitschy presentation is gauche as fuck though

It can be done to an excellent standard but probably not if you're just aping KFC. Although I will freely admit to liking bog standard dirty fried chicken, it is the king of fast foods, but paying twice the price for basically the same food in nicer surroundings is just stupid.

how do you know it's "basically the same food". you've never eaten there and you're arguing a filthy chicken shop is as good. just start an "i hate hipsters" thread and deposit this stuff there.

if it hasn't been marinated in buttermilk overnight i don't wanna know.

Won't someone please think of the poor misunderstood hipsters, weeping all the way to their £12 recreation of a Soviet bread queue.

1/10. Must try harder.

There is no semblance of provenance (being communicated clearly at least) here – no-one is telling you about the farm or the ingredients or the culinary process.

no, then

I don't have particularly strong feelings about these places one way or the other (I went to the meateasy chicken place in Brixton and the food was delicious in parts and not-so-much in others; the place wasn't really aimed at the likes of me, I like somewhere comfy to sit and I like to be able to talk to the person I'm with without shouting, it was a mixed kind of experience) but they do seem to have the knack of exploiting the bits of the internet I'm in touch with to do their publicity. As a result it seems they're making a disproportionate amount of noise about what is a pretty standard kind of product, albeit slightly gussied-up.

an ersatz kfc in a pub in kentish town is 'hipster' in the diffusion line sense of plebs with twitter bios describing themselves as 'foodies'

There is no semblance of provenance in Lucky Chip either but their meat is well-sourced. Maybe they just don't feel the need.

xpost

they do seem to have the knack of exploiting the bits of the internet I'm in touch with to do their publicity. As a result it seems they're making a disproportionate amount of noise about what is a pretty standard kind of product, albeit slightly gussied-up.

they're all over twitter. more fool people who tweet a lot but can't see outside the rage-inducing bubble of whoever they follow.

if you can prove to me their meat is well-sourced then I shan't stir the cauldron

lg you seem to be doing the marcello carlin 'ilx hates young people and can't deal with their hip ways' things in maybe the least apposite case

I know for the burgers it is, I don't know for sure about the new place. But for their burger restaurant they don't mention it on their menu but it was Ginger Pig and is now latterly some less well known farm but I've seen it mentioned in reviews.

xpost not ILX at all, I just think there is a repeated kneejerk anti-hipster thing on this thread.

It's not just the sourcing though, Lucky Chip is obviously way better than the standard burger and chips you get most of London. I'm choosing to believe the reviewer when they say the chicken here is no great improvement on standard fried chicken, and if that's true then they *are* ripping off their audience, even if it's one that's happy to be ripped off.

I'm choosing to believe the reviewer

exactly. because you already know what you think.

he's not even anywhere near as vehement as you are btw.

You haven't eaten there either, so I don't really get what prompts this passionate defence of it (or the hipsters that no one was talking about before you mentioned them).

I think the opprobrium in today's posts far outweighs any coincidental anti-hipster agenda on a thread largely employed for the sourcing of location-specific recommendations and the recounting of experiences.

You haven't eaten there either, so I don't really get what prompts this passionate defence of it (or the hipsters that no one was talking about before you mentioned them).

I'm defending it against criticisms by somebody who has never been there. I don't know if it's good or not but I refute the criticisms on that basis.

And actually Matt you tweeted about hipsters.

Is that sub judice?

This is apropos of nothing but I my major way of hearing about new restaurants on the internet is by following food blogs and I guess the key with those is to stop following the ones which begin to get recognised - they're the ones which will sooner rather than later start to be smothered with coverage of the free meals / holidays / gifts they're given by PR people in search of coverage.

That's only tangentially relevant here, obv. I really want to find blogs which work hard at covering dead good neighbourhood restaurants rather than the cutting edge of fashion. Must be hard for bloggers to turn down free food and not ot talk abotu what's in fashion, though, I totally get why they get so irrelevant to me so quickly.

BUT THE BANTZ. It was glorious. Crisp spicy repartee, giving way to unbelievably juicy slurs, all the way down to the bone.

xp otm

That's only tangentially relevant here, obv. I really want to find blogs which work hard at covering dead good neighbourhood restaurants rather than the cutting edge of fashion. Must be hard for bloggers to turn down free food and not ot talk abotu what's in fashion, though, I totally get why they get so irrelevant to me so quickly.

I think even beyond this there's so much noise on the internet that every restaurant retweets some hypey review (which is why I don't place any more stock in that negative Lucky Fried Chicken one above.) The amount of shit places I've been to and then seen people tweeting about enthusiastically for months after is kind of depressing. But there's plenty backlash too and that's just part of the same process and just as wisely ignored.

Trust no one apart from whomever you trust I suppose.

And actually Matt you tweeted about hipsters

True, but 140 characters was insufficient for the level of nuance I've been able to convey here.

haha

anyway enough of this shite. has anyone been to quality chop house yet?

what is an example of a good restaurant blog? although by posting it here you run the risk of turning it into a thing, and thus into something bad

Haven't. Heard it was pretty good, but that might have been from precisely the internet I was mildly disparaging above.

Tell you where is good though: Delhi Grill on Chapel Market. I go there a bit because I'm usually in the area on a Sunday evening and it seems to volunteer itself. I thought it went off the boil a bit when it changed its name a few years back, but the last few times I've been, it's been really very good indeed.

I quite liked Marina O'Loughlin's restaurant reviews in the Metro before I stopped reading the free papers (hipster)

xp there aren't any I totally love at the moment, I've become a bit bored of all the ones I follow. Still quite fond of Food Stories http://helengraves.co.uk/ , though goodness knows that is as prone to covering freebies as anyone and these days I think I prefer her sandwich blog: http://londonreviewofsandwiches.wordpress.com/ which gets close to doing what I really want a food blog to be doing, seeking out the good non-obvious stuff. That she lives near me does it no harm either, obv.