Why I hate the Daily Mail, as distilled into one edition

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Finally a detailed statisical analysis of the aspirations and lifestyle changes of *my* demographic. oh no wait i'm not working class, can we get one for white british middle class single straight cis males plz?

ledge, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:44 (thirteen years ago)

Scottish is not British?

Le petit chat est mort (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:44 (thirteen years ago)

That article is a perfectly reasonable look at census data and shifts in British working class patterns of residency, a legitimate topic IMO.

Neil S, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:44 (thirteen years ago)

should have said "white British" above, obv.

Neil S, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:44 (thirteen years ago)

though I did laugh at this picture apparently denoting some white people, yesterday

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65966000/jpg/_65966407_149794837.jpg

Neil S, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:46 (thirteen years ago)

Couple of Rangers fans no doubt

Le petit chat est mort (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:46 (thirteen years ago)

... no, hold on, they're smiling

Le petit chat est mort (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:47 (thirteen years ago)

maybe Orangemen with bowler hats just oiut of shot

Neil S, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:47 (thirteen years ago)

but again the smiling would indicate not

Neil S, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:47 (thirteen years ago)

The white British article is pretty reasonable, but by posing it as a question in that maddening way that News Online does with everything now, they sort of stoke unpleasantness.

That piece wouldn't make it into a newspaper imo. Not in its colloquial, here's some shit I just found, way. I think if the top line of a feature is a question it's likely to be shit, nine times out of 10, and you just wouldn't get away with it in a proper paper. Beeb's feature writing is fucked tho, they don't know what they're at with no background as a paper.

Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:50 (thirteen years ago)

LOL @ the comments below the article tho

Le petit chat est mort (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:50 (thirteen years ago)

Oh stay away from the comments

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:05 (thirteen years ago)

i don't care if you're white, black, red white and blue, purple...

hot young stalin (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:06 (thirteen years ago)

They invade our space, and we fall back. They assimilate countless Cities, and we fall back. Not again. Not this time. The line must be drawn here! This far, no farther! - Jean-Luc Picard, Captain, USS Enterprise.

We have mass unemployment and have done for 30+ years, a housing & energy crisis. Our welfare system cannot cope, our prisons are full & parts of our transport system are past capacity.

Fire photon torpedoes at Newham.

Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:08 (thirteen years ago)

He's not racist, he has a Klingon Lieutenant on his ship.

I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:10 (thirteen years ago)

ah Beverley, won't you join me for a glass of racist synthahol?

Neil S, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:11 (thirteen years ago)

Holodeck enable antebellum South programme.

I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:14 (thirteen years ago)

hilarious mishap when Jordi gets accidentally lynched

Neil S, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:16 (thirteen years ago)

"Wesley, tell me, where was your father born?"

Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:20 (thirteen years ago)

guys stop making me laugh at work

tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:26 (thirteen years ago)

have always been amused by the TOS's depiction of a world where people from all races and cultures work aboard the enterprise but it's ok for Bones to sling racist slurs at Spock all day long

tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:28 (thirteen years ago)

in a way it's like BBC News article comment threads

Neil S, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:30 (thirteen years ago)

Holy shit bones and spock are fergie and wenger how did this no occur to me til now

lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:38 (thirteen years ago)

Wd like to see something similar to the Wrath of Khan denouement between those two.

I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:56 (thirteen years ago)

A brief image search turns up the revelation that there's a lot of Trek slash fiction out there.

I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 13:02 (thirteen years ago)

Kirk/Spock was possibly the original "slash" fiction.

Woy Division (onimo), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 13:15 (thirteen years ago)

yeah BB, that stuff must predate the net

tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:15 (thirteen years ago)

That article is a perfectly reasonable look at census data and shifts in British working class patterns of residency, a legitimate topic IMO.

ok but how is shit like this necessary

Some white British may have moved because their neighbourhood has been culturally transformed, the tea rooms and restaurants replaced by takeaway chicken shops and halal supermarkets serving the new arrivals.

And the pic of the Polish pub and "Polish is the second most common language spoken in England" which is the only mention of Polish people in the whole article?

gyac, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 20:43 (thirteen years ago)

Some white British may have moved because their neighbourhood has been culturally transformed, the tea rooms and restaurants replaced by takeaway chicken shops and halal supermarkets serving the new arrivals.

lol because back in the day restaurants in Britain would serve roast beef, yorkshire pudding, spotted dick and NO OTHER FOOD

I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 21 February 2013 09:58 (thirteen years ago)

Actually, the takeaway chicken shops thing doesn't even have to do with immigration at all, just a straight up racist dog-whistle.

I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 21 February 2013 09:59 (thirteen years ago)

oh it's the usual sloppy BBC generalisations and lowest common denominator reporting, it's just that the topic itself shouldn't automatically be out of bounds IMO.

Neil S, Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:00 (thirteen years ago)

it's a shite article that would never appear anywhere else, but they feel the need to have these fucking dumb question features at least once a day.

the chicken shop bit definitely stands out too, like white people don't eat fried chicken or something.

also tea rooms - wtf is a tea room?

Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:08 (thirteen years ago)

Tea rooms exist in places like Harrogate and Windsor, and in the minds of racists.

mmmm, Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:24 (thirteen years ago)

There's a tea room(s) in Stoke Newington, THAT WELL KNOWN ALL-WHITE ENCLAVE

I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:25 (thirteen years ago)

Hitchin had a very good (non-racist) tea room that ran for a very long time but got replaced by a Starbucks.

dog latin, Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:27 (thirteen years ago)

GWS fried chicken is delicious

dog latin, Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:28 (thirteen years ago)

*GWS = goes without saying

dog latin, Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:30 (thirteen years ago)

"Tea rooms" is very much a 50s / 60s thing, i think. Obviously can't say "cafes" or "fish and chip shops" as half of them were run by the bleedin' Italians.

Head Cheerleader, Homecoming Queen and part-time model (ShariVari), Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:35 (thirteen years ago)

e.g. Lyon's Team Rooms, which you still occasionally see as re-purposed restaurants and cafes round London, for example Shanghai restaurant in Dalston.

Neil S, Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:37 (thirteen years ago)

tea rooms still a massive mainstay of the tourist industry in rural towns & villages all across the country.

ledge, Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:38 (thirteen years ago)

hell yeah, every village within sight of the Yorkshire Dales has got at least one tea room

tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:46 (thirteen years ago)

these articles are the equivalent of the endless 5Live phone-ins where people like Nicky Campbell in no way invite racists to air their thoughts to the nation by raising important questions like "Should We Send All Them Polish Back Where They Come From?"

tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:47 (thirteen years ago)

Polish them off, I say

Neil S, Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:49 (thirteen years ago)

There used to be a really good one in Ayr that we went to a few times as a treat when I lived in Prestwick as a kid. But yeah thats a touristy place.

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:49 (thirteen years ago)

does anybody remember the report from a few years back - possibly during the Birt years but possibly just after - that said the Beeb wasn't doing enough to reflect the thoughts and tastes of working class white dudes? hello BBC3, hello 5Live the nation's debate, hello Why They Hide Their White People Under My Swanage?

tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:50 (thirteen years ago)

yes. He also said sitcoms were too middle class

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:53 (thirteen years ago)

well he had a point there

tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:53 (thirteen years ago)

he thought ITV did it better with Mind Your Languageand Love Thy Neighbour

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:56 (thirteen years ago)

I'd say Beeb probably doesn't reflect working class views generally, or represent them. Class is imo a bigger issue than race in the BBC. In my experience there is quite a strong spread of racial backgrounds and nationalities but everyone is middle class or up, really, I suppose as you'd expect.

Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:56 (thirteen years ago)

From watching/listening to it, I mean.

Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:57 (thirteen years ago)


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