maybe my impression is colored by rewatching Ultraviolet before seeing Skyfall but it seemed pretty coherent and entertaining to me
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
haaa oh god that's the best way to watch
Ultraviolet is beyond terrible - it's like that animated esurance commercial made into a movie
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
the funny thing abt the attempts to humanize bond was that concurrently there were awkward stabs at old school ice-cold bond, w/him wisecracking about ruined scotch in the wake of the violent death of a sex trafficking victim.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
couldn't tell if he was still trying to look like hardman secret agent to Silva after the whole intimidation sequence prior
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
i really feel casino royale is the emo bond movie with him broken up over eva green. this is just return to form.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
"total fred armisen character"
oh god this is it
xmas candy also otm about the cognitive dissonance
i like that we have finally arrived at the exact, distilled logic behind this movie's faults
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
xp: I think you mean Quantum of Solace
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
is quantum the one where he's sad le chifre killed eva? then he's sad. then he thinks she's a spy. then he's mad. then M says she wasn't. then he's sad again.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/tumblr_m8gvfzBeN21r6lveko1_500_zps878a5046.jpg
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
just before I saw this my eye caught the headline for an interview with Rory Kinnear that said "....PLAY BOND VILLAIN..." or some such and I quickly turned away to avoid spoilers.
Then when I went to see it I kept telling myself to try and pretend I didn't know RK was ACTUALLY going to be the big villain after all - the faceless insider behind Bardem's theatrical mask. And if you watch it, there's loads of scenes where RK's standing in the background and they're going "It's likely to be someone in the shadows, someone we cd never guess at" and I was trying to work out how cleverly the dramatic irony had been achieved.
Then it got to the end and I was oh fuck, headline must've said WISH I CD PLAY BOND VILLAIN IN NEXT FILM or something.
Still makes a lot more sense my way tho.
― fizzles tics (Fizzles), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
w/him wisecracking about ruined scotch in the wake of the violent death of a sex trafficking victim.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:22 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
that line gets worse and worse to me as time goes on. i cant think of any previous iteration of the character, even at his coldest and most heartless, that would crack wise about an innocent woman being murdered by the bad guy - much less joke that her life was worth less than a glass of scotch. its like the transformation of mcclane from guy who's scared to die and even fears for the life of a scumbag like ellis, to smirking poochy bruce who goes 'heh, that had to hurt' as he maims dozens of innocent people in a carnage-packed moscow car chase
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
yeah and it's not even some random stranger, it's a woman he slept w/ last night
― iatee, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
a sex trafficking victim he slept w/by sneaking onto her boat and into her shower!
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
did any bond girls die during the pierce era?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
Famke JanssenTeri HatcherSophie MarceauRosamund Pike
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
guys, i cd be off here, but i think the point is he doesn't want to let Silva know he's got to him so he fronts it out? i guess the delivery cd've been better maybe but it's pretty obvious.
― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
Craig Bond can do this because he's always bubbling with emo just under the surface. if Roger Moore'd said it, that wd've been cold
― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
great director, that mendes
― goole, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
what does it even change if 'he got to bond'
― iatee, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
wait wasn't famke the evil scissor killer?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
severine's memory echoes in the movie long after she dies, slightly longer than the echo of silva's vintage firearm iirc.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
well, this is the James Bond who stated "the job's done and the bitch is dead," although he thought her not so innocent at the time
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:51 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah that occurred to me but it still doesnt play very well
plus why did bond wait until he killed her to make a move. the way it plays out makes it look like he could've saved her life if he felt like it
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
I have not read any of the books in years but IIRC Craig's utter bastard streak is the closest evocation to the Bond Fleming originally created? (written as a question because it's literally been 25 years since I read a Bond book and I barely remember them)
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
that was a really important character moment, also not a joke
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
I think you're splitting hairs and over-analyzing this dumb scene in a well-shot but marginally-scripted film
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
it was a really important character moment showing that Bond overreacts verbally when his underdeveloped emotional intelligence is snubbed!
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
if i'm over-analyzing, what are your 30+ posts about how the film is a deconstruction of bond
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
spread out over the whole film versus grinding on those two minutes?
touche, though
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
I guess I'm not wondering why you care as much as why I care
the quest continues
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
"the bitch is dead" is almost verbatim from the novel as i recall, the book of Casino Royale probly paces Bond's burgeoning relationship with the Eva Green-type character and she actually is a SMERSH agent in the book iirc - fieldcraft lesson learned
― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
"the bitch is dead" is verbatim from the book. think the main problem w/ scotch line is they play it halfway between lol one liner bond and ice cold sociopath bond, same w/ shower howdy which in tomorrow never knows or moonraker or something would've been fine/consistent (if still creepy if you thought about it at all)(and the women are cannon fodder in those flicks also, that's been true from day one on w/ bond) but w/ serious adult bond is ridiculous even if she hadn't had the tragic background.
― balls, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
why did bond wait until he killed her to make a move
can only assume he's stalling for the cavalry to turn up but yeah the script is the worst thing about this, and that's including Sam Mendes existing and Albert Finney playing Albert Finney
haven't seen this since the original cinema screening btw but still reckon it's hugely entertaining old bollocks
― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
I wish they had included the section from the book where Bond joins a vegan health spa and finds all his aggression floating away.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
problem (one of) this movie was its desperate eagerness to please in every second at the expense of making sense minute to minute or act to act. "waste of scotch" line read like "hey! you guys like the old misogynist bond, right??", momentarily throwing out a character impulse not hinted at beforehand and quickly forgotten. if the coldness had any tradecraft layering w/r/t bond getting in with silva it wasn't anything mendes thought fit to show.
"the bitch is dead" looked to me like an attempt to interrogate the bond character's historical misogyny. oh, see, he lost somebody, it's realy sad. excuse-making, maybe, but an idea purposefully executed.
― goole, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
every time I have read "the bitch is dead" on this thread, I've gotten Elton John's voice stuck in my head
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
Casino Royale movie actually super-emphasises that by having some foreshadowing at the beginning where Bond claims to only smash married women cos it's complication-free
― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
that was Paul Haggis at work, I think
still amazed the first one did so well with one of his scripts
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:34 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
qft
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
i hated that moment so much
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
man this movie had so much loathsome things that the odium Albert Finney's inspired on this thread is so misplaced.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
just imagine if they'd actually put Sean Connery in that role
the humor would have returned to the franchise
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
well... it's kind of unavoidably loathsome though, right? otherwise it's not a bond movie. it's already pretty close to turning into bourne without those things.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:58 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
qft too
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
who cares
I take back everything I said trying to be devil's advocate for that line and scene, btw
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
Finney thinking Dench's character is "Emma" is still great
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
at least Connery wd've had one of those rare career highlights where he cd do the accent
― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
and Bond is in large part a celebration of loathsomeness, i cd really give a fuck about that aspect of it, i just like joshing on Finney cos he didn't just phone it in he sent it overland on the back of a beermat from Irkutsk
― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:06 (eleven years ago) link