2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

plus, that argument implies that at some point, the mess will actually be cleaned, as opposed to made much messier (bloodier/more expensive).

if you believe in roosevelt, elect roosevelt. but remember reagan.

you think a democrat's gonna have an easier time cleaning up the aftermath of an iranian invasion?
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which army are we going to invade iran with?

the french foreign legion?

never mind

tom you're being really arch and condescending

If Cheney has the codes, the nuclear one.

also all this prognosticating crap is just that, crap. i think it's fallacious to assume that the future will follow, in fully predictable outline, one past event from 25+ years ago. the dangers of a mccain presidency would seem real enough not to wager on some smart-aleck cynical prediction.

I AM a paranoid-american, and it's to the point where i just want them out. I put very little faith in any feedback control mechanism that supposed to operate for more than a term or even a year. The system is too fucked at present for such control mechanisms to work, so i'll take a Democrat in office to at least begin shifting thru all the bullshit, to reroute the rivers and clean out the stables and civil service(if need be, literally, with a fire hose).

We're in for some dire fucking times, and I'd much prefer we get an FDR(or anything within light years of approaching him) in place than just keep another Hoover douche in power for four years just to drive the point home to an short-memoried and easily demagogued populace. Somebody who we won't feel horrible about telling, "Look, dude*, here's the keys and a wrench. Get to work on fixing this shit."

*"dude" used in gender-neutral sense here, but who are we fucking kidding

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tom you can't see enough black voters (and young voters let's pretend lol) going 'o go fuck yrself' to cost the dems if hill steals the nod or enough white/older/maybe catholic or jewish voters going 'o i'm not sure' if obama gets the nod (regardless of whether the wright flap had happened) to tilt a few states mccain's way? i mean (and maybe this is just being in a one party state) i can ALWAYS picture the gop winning. shit i could see them fuxxors taking the house back this fall under the right circumstances.

okay, that post more or less made sense.

oops. referring to mine own rantings

amateurist I'm just really tired of everybody following the media storyline word for fucking word and not a god damned one of you thinking for yourselves for even a fucking minute, much less actually considering a larger picture, forget history, just, you know, think for a fucking minute besides "I like obama! people who don't like obama are WRONG!" go outside, put on a pencil skirt and some pom-poms if that's how you feel. I've never seen so much insipid repetition and boring self-righteousness as on these threads.

Then again, I rarely bother to read ILM.

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Maybe I should shut up with my high-mindedness and just blithely encourage you all to stay over there.

cynical and paranoid people otm

fuck it

don't you mean the wright circumstances?
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lol i almost did that but the first version of that post had some custos action in it so i was all 'do not trust yr impulses at this moment'.

I think folks will be sullen a la 2004 if Obama loses the general due to distortions and smears, but if he somehow has the nomination wrested...I can only imagine.

Back to the news. Some Latino help for Obama in the form of a Bill Richardson endorsement:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gIWF-cWWTIzLwKoOVfi50PnqNM0wD8VHLSSO0

yeah, i don' think it'll be chicago 68 like wilder was saying if only cuz even now i can't picture ppl caring enough. shortsighted/smallminded but weirdly the thing i dread most is obama losing ge and the party going 'o well see this doesn't work and we need to go back to caution and calculation' and the whole 90s dlc/clinton model or mediocre boring careerists like the gephardt/daschle/kerry model being the default position regardless of its losing streak.

lol richardson must've decided 'no way obama loses the nod - time to buy my veepstakes ticket!'. a good sign i guess.

put on a pencil skirt and some pom-poms

i dont think you meant this. pencil skirts are usually pretty close-fitting and difficult to move around in.

I didn't know he was going to be in town.

Also, it's kinda disconcerting to see the contraction spellt like "Ore," correct tho that may be.

http://harpmagazine.com/articles/detail.cfm?article_id=6709

Except for the AIDS controversy he'll have to explain, I'm all for this!

i barely keep up with this thread anymore - did we talk yet about Bill Clinton's saying that Obama 'mugged' him?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/us/politics/18bill.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

http://www.davidstuff.com/opinion/los-clinton.jpg

I was mugged by that man... Mr. Obama

I think he's talking about the press.

he's using the word 'mugging' in the same sentence as 'Obama' and 'Jackson', dumbass

"Mr. Hussein Obama had a smoking gun, that took the form of a mushroom cloud."

I apologize for the mugging of my husband

don't you mean the wright circumstances?
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-- gershy, Friday, March 21, 2008 7:41 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

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I guess it's a good sign tho - we know the Clintons aren't going to hold back in the general. I mean Barack Obama is just too nice to play up McCain's age and infidelity - the people for that job are Hillary and Bill.

also, they're obviously the people to go after him for having a vitriolic temper

which is why the clintons should take the back seat and attack mccain on obama's behalf during the GE, allowing obama to keep his hands clean and letting the clintons do what they do best

Symmetry required gabbneb to start this.

I be freakin people out with my sarcasm

You know what? You need to hear the whole Wright sermon instead of the bits that got cut out for anti-Obama purposes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

http://bp3.blogger.com/_icmbtAgYu90/R-L19IDnwpI/AAAAAAAAAAk/Bwt1_87Tamg/s1600-h/File0441.jpg

^^ commendation of wright from LBJ('s physician)

man what blogger was bored enough to dig that up

on the fundraising front, Obama campaign has $30 mil cash on hand while Hill's campaign is saddled with $9 million in debt, leaving only $3 mil on hand

those are the numbers reported at the end of feb, btw

WaPo Fact Checker blog has this catch:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/03/20/PH2008032002697.jpg
Greeting ceremony, Tuzla military airport, Bosnia, March 25, 1996.

"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

Link: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/03/hillarys_balkan_adventures_par.html

she's using the girl as a human shield!

i dont think you meant this. pencil skirts are usually pretty close-fitting and difficult to move around in.

-- max, Friday, March 21, 2008 3:05 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Link

someone missed a good zingpportunity here

haha "four pinnochios"

I don't really care whether Hillary went to Bosnia or Candyland (more Sinbad refs welcome though)

I love all the photos that USA Today chose for the passport story:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-03-21-rice-breach_N.htm

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/passport_080321_ms.jpg

sorry, it really *was* on his blog, ha!

dKos liveblog from St. Paul.

My mom: I still don't know what she's up to.

http://www.cnn.com/live/
speech is broadcast here

Obama: Still don't you realize. The next time we see sky, it'll be over another town, the next time we take a test, it'll be in some other school. Our parents, they want the bestest stuff for us. But right now, they've gotta do what's right for them, cause it's their time. It's there time up there. Down here, it's our time. It's our time down here. That's all over the moment we ride up Troy's bucket.

<inhaler hit>

fuckin love that movie

lock?

OBAMA!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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