V For Vendetta: The Movie

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(Actually my real story is that all white people look alike to me.)

― Dan (It's True!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 March 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

I just assumed it was symbolic of the "V is Spartacus" speech Evie was giving. Because, y'know, ideas are bulletproof, even if actual people aren't.

It would have made more sense if they actual people had been riddled with bullet holes then.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:06 (twenty years ago)

(or worn T-shirts saying "I Am Just An Idea")

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Mr. Moore speaks (in general, but there's more Vendetta stuff towards the end). My friend Jen did the interview:

http://www.mtv.com/shared/movies/interviews/m/moore_alan_060315/

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I was a bit confused about the little girl bit. I mean, they pretty obviously set it up to show that it's her getting shot(showing her w/ a spraypaint can, then later with glasses & costume running around, and finally with both) She doesn't get capped in the book, right? she just says "bollocks" to the CCTV and runs off?

maybe thats were all the bollocks in the film came from

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

tho my disappointment with the ending is more that they didn't go with the comic, w/ Evey putting on the mask & doing the speech, b/c that way puts more emphasis on the "and now you must build anew" part instead of just blowing shit up.

e.g. the whole "order from chaos" bit.

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

http://www.mtv.com/shared/movies/interviews/m/moore_alan_060315/images/subtitle2.jpg

Let's keep in mind that everyone slamming this film for deviating from the GN is aligning themselves with Charles Manson.

― Dan (H Is For Haircut) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Wrong image selection.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

don't forget Andrew Lloyd Webber.

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I'll be watching this, judging from the reactions and tidbits here (and Moore's interview - honestly the idea he tosses off in the last paragraph about a US-centric story sounds 100% better than whatever the Wachowskis have come up with)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 March 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, "headless Charles Manson".

http://www.mtv.com/shared/movies/interviews/m/moore_alan_060315/images/main2.jpg

― Dan (Is That Better?) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 March 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of beards:

http://www.calendarlive.com/media/photo/2006-03/22487024.jpg

Codsarnit, i thot elves couldn't grow facial hair!

from this L.A. Times bit

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Eh, it's worth seeing at matinee price (which we would have done if the waiter at our pre-movie meal hadn't been such a maroon and made us late). (xpost to SMC)

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Monday, 20 March 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

the little girl stuff was awkwardly handled. also the evey character moment where she freaks out with the bishop... it was poorly telegraphed.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

One technical bit that I didn't like was the audio mix in parts. V's dialogue in his first scene is unintelligible, and the "evey having a breakdown" had audio levels that were way off

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

honestly the idea he tosses off in the last paragraph about a US-centric story sounds 100% better than whatever the Wachowskis have come up with

Doubtless I'll eventually see the film but I agree that this would have been a cool road to go down.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

i didn't notice that... it might have been your theatre y'know

(xp)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Alan Moore has gone mad... I don't see how you could move such an anglo-centric story to the USA.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

uh, that's Moore's point. He sees the Wachowski version as attempting to do just that (and then, just for good measure, way throws out a story idea that would have been better suited to their aims).

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:05 (twenty years ago)

i didn't notice that... it might have been your theatre y'know

y'know, that's entire possible. hmmm.

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

The street cops were part of the working class schematic. The cops in black were government agents. So of course the street cops would stand down.

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:54 (twenty years ago)

I didn't notice problems with Evey, but it was hard to understand V's first speech.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:56 (twenty years ago)

(A female friend who loved the film and is a total Moore fan commented upon Moore's hippie-Gandlaf look, "Man, that's a sure-fire way to live in a pussy-free zone."

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

She might want to read the interview and note how he lives with his girlfriend.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Can you really call a tube sock your girlfriend?

― Dan (Cum In Packs Of Twelve) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:17 (twenty years ago)

(also just finished doing an epic porn comic with her)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:18 (twenty years ago)

Can you really call a tube sock your girlfriend?

http://www.najical.com/s-o/season2/sno/conv_intdec3.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

should i go see this or 16 blocks?

xpost wtf is that?

― kephm (kephm), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:24 (twenty years ago)

wtf is that?

You don't know? Dude.

http://www.sifl-n-olly.com/

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:25 (twenty years ago)

SEE BOTH

― Dan (Hahaha Ned!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

They should totally remake the movie for the U.S., with Bruce Willis as the Stephen Rea character.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 20 March 2006 23:24 (twenty years ago)

Enjoyable fluff, better than Batman Begins, but since it's based on a graphic novel, why should we take this hokum seriously? Hugo Weaving (David Denby: "doing an imitation of James Mason in his most hyper-civilized and elocutionary roles, though Mason was acidly witty, and Weaving is merely formal and condescending") in a Guy Fawkes mask wants to blow up Parliament. I mean, geez: we're supposed to clap along? Parliament represents everything the Chancellor's regime destroyed!

Stephen Fry was fine, but I'm not sure the director told him what kind of movie he was starring in; nor was he introduced to the rest of the cast. The always-terrific Stephen Rea was more convincing as a man of pained conscience than Natalie-as-Falconetti. No one's mentioned Rupert Graves, veteran of lots of Merchant Ivory films, as Rea's assistant.

Anyone else think the guy playing the ranting TV journalist had modelled his look and mannerisms rather closely on Christopher Hitchens?

So OTM. I said so to my companion: "He's Hitchens turned into what his leftist critics always suspected he was."

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:33 (twenty years ago)

Enjoyable fluff, better than Batman Begins, but since it's based on a graphic novel, why should we take this hokum seriously?

i don't get what you mean... are you saying that we should take it less seriously just because it's based on a GN?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)

I mean, geez: we're supposed to clap along? Parliament represents everything the Chancellor's regime destroyed!

haha excellent point.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:41 (twenty years ago)

we could have nipped that whole hitler thing in the bud if somebody had just thought to burn down the reichstag before things got really bad!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

"He's Hitchens turned into what his leftist critics always suspected he was."

There's this fellow called Peter Hitchens...

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

But Parliament as a body was never destroyed - the Chancellor literally took power through it, getting a silly percentage of the vote after the school massacre. And then continued to use it as a symbol of his power and relation to the Empire of yore.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:47 (twenty years ago)

With materal this pulpy a serious discussion about The Contemporary Parallels is laughable. Weaving's character was, if anything, even more sinister than John Hurt's Chancellor: his strained allusions to Macbeth, falling in love with Portman, the roses, and the rather sadistic mind-fuck he gives Portman.

This is a film whose intentions are seriously misguided. Of course, in case we missed the point the director soaks us in violence done by the purported hero that's no different than what the totalitarian state does: the execution of the police in the final third is slowed down so that we don't miss any evisceration, laceration, or spurt of blood.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:47 (twenty years ago)

"pulpy" stuff tends to have more recognizable contempo "parallels" than high-brow stuff y'know

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:54 (twenty years ago)

With material this pulpy

Oh yeah draw that line reeeeeeeeeeeeeeal thick.

[blast you slicko]

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:55 (twenty years ago)

it's based on a graphic novel, why should we take this hokum seriously?

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:58 (twenty years ago)

oboy

― Yawn (Wintermute), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:00 (twenty years ago)

This is the thread where ILC opens up a can of whupass.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Sure thing, Rusty Brown. Oh wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:01 (twenty years ago)

"Many critics will doubtless admire McInerney's pompous literary efforts, in the same way that Stone's 'serious' movie will probably attract a degree of earnest respect. Personally, I feel more at home with the honest exploitation of V for Vendetta, which proves once again the radical power of trash."

Mark Kermode on V for Vendetta

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Superhero with mask and knives, baddies wearing Third Reich-esque uniforms of red and black, allusions to escapist-romantic classic (The Count of Monte Christo), falls in love with heroine and is "redeemed" = El Pulpo.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:03 (twenty years ago)

Exactly, Alfred - folks are disagreeing w/ your definition of pulp & not your condescending dismissal of it.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:06 (twenty years ago)

"since it's based on a graphic novel, why should we take this hokum seriously?"

arggghhhhhhhhh - way to dismiss an entire medium out of hand. very astute of you.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

I thought I made it quite clear that it's this film I disliked -- how it garnished a series of pulp totems with a sprinkle of high thought -- and not the source material itself

Now I'm going to reread The Watchmen.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:37 (twenty years ago)

You're a glutton for punishment.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:47 (twenty years ago)

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