The official bored-at-work cryptic crossword pass it on thread.

Help! Two I do not understand even when I have the answer:

Sort of this to a sort of 13, worn by some men. (7) (13 was "Flower pots tie in a better arrangement, possibly = POINSETTIA)

The answer is TIEPINS. Why?

Republicans not about to be hosts, perhaps. (10) = INNKEEPERS. How does this work?

first one is an anagram with "to a" removed, feels badly clued but i'm pretty hungover/drunk

Republicans without "about" = -re = publicans = innkeepers

is the first one "Short of this" or "sort of this"?

first one kinda works, anag of 'this to a' where 'this' = 'tiepins'. although two 'sorts' seems superfluous.

So, on the first one they're using one "sort" to mean anagram, which is common, and a second to mean discard? Which I've never seen.

i don't like the first clue at all, can't make it work properly

Second one is pretty simple when it's explained to me, but "not about" meaning there is no "RE" seems clumsy to me too. Didn't care for either of those.

you don't like that, how about this:

A pious type, Winston, fit to move the queen (10) = CHURCHGOER - winston fit = churchill - ill

(today's grauniad)

Wow, that's a stretch, and I have to admit I still dont get where GOER comes from. Move = GO and ER = ?

Elizabeth Regina, our Queen

Yeah, I just used Wiki. I've never seen that one before.

iirc king/queen can also be just r for rex/regina.

guardian prize:

Buggery? It's a personal matter (7,8)

ans: nobody's business. what's it got to do with buggery?

bugger all

two meanings of "nobody's business"

literal - "this is nobody's business but my own"
idiomatic - "he drank that pint like nobody's business"

idiomatic meaning of "nobody's business" = idiomatic meaning of "buggery"

not super familiar with that idiom but i can see that.

both mean "vigorously" if you look it up, cdn't think of what the equivalence was for a sec

both feel like they're probably regional usages to me tho, slightly old-fashioned too

Enjoyable theme in today's Guardian, actually allowed me to finish more than half of it already, a rarity!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crosswords/cryptic/25860

Safeguard of present containing gold and silver hidden in vault (7)

Finished the Guardian (Paul) pretty swiftly, after getting the theme. Moved on to the Times and managed to get one single bloody clue. Looking at all of them thinking "I just don't know where to begin".

Theme of Grauniad of interest to ILMers btw.

couldn't deal with the theme today, gave up as soon as i realised what it was

yesterday's grau crossword was literally impossible

enjoyed saturday's araucaria v much though

except for obscure liberian, malaysian, and shetland-isms.

the liberian/malaysian one was hilariously obscure

Safeguard of present containing gold and silver hidden in vault (7)

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Storage

"or" being gold "ag" being silver, etc.

and the other 3 letters?

Ach, trifling things like accuracy matter not (i.e. was skimming and not reading properly).

ah, ok, stage + or AND store = ag

store + ag

yep two wordplays for price of one, this clue is value for money.

"Ag" in "store", and "or" in "stage". how's that?

bah, xposts while I got my reasoning straight.

Not sure I like that very much. "Safeguard of present containing gold" would have been fine on its own. Never heard of two subsidiary indicators in one clue before.

it happens from time to time. i just liked the gold + silver connection although doubtless could have worded it more elegantly.

oh sorry, did you make it up yourself? wouldn't have criticized it if I'd known. thought it was from a newspaper.

no need for kid gloves here.

A bad time for gulls? (5,5,3)

Checking letters if you need them, with which I got the answer fairly easily, but I don't understand it.

April Fool's Day. Gull = a gullible person.

Never heard that in my life.

it's the dictionary definition of gull

Well, yeah, I see that now and I get it, just saying a usage like "that multimillionaire is enough of a gull to believe that it's his personality that attracts women" is one that I have never encountered in a book, movie, daily conversation or crossword. Which is great; I also learned that Handel wrote oratorios based on Saul and Samson.

Using an obscure secondary definition like that is a classic way crossword setters use to throw people off the scent.

christ the prize crossword today is DOING MY HEAD IN

i think i hate bonxie quite a lot

very enjoyable from y'day's indy crossword, which i turned to after yelling "fucking bonxie" a few too many times:

Somewhat Kiplingesque! (5)

What's the answer to that one then Lex?

I liked this one in today's Guardian:

1,000-1 betting slip? (7)

Slang and other names for the exclamation mark

This punctuation mark is called, in the printing world, "a screamer, a gasper, a startler, or ... a dog's cock".[11]

In hacker culture, the exclamation mark is called "bang", "shriek", or, in the British slang known as Commonwealth Hackish, "pling". For example, "Your password is em-zero-pee-aitch-pling-en-three."

nice!