Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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Yeah - saw that. Was writing post before 11, didn't hit submit until well after.

karl lagerlout (suzy), Sunday, 13 January 2013 11:40 (thirteen years ago)

Burchill has always flaunted her ugly prejudices and people keep hiring her back. She isn't actually a particularly good writer and she comes across as a terrible person at virtually all times.

Matt DC, Sunday, 13 January 2013 12:50 (thirteen years ago)

the "defending a mate" bit makes it even worse, imo.

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Sunday, 13 January 2013 12:55 (thirteen years ago)

i mean, for the cringey story of their silly lives as much as anything else.

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Sunday, 13 January 2013 12:56 (thirteen years ago)

I didn't feel sorry for Suzanne Moore at all, after seeing what she'd written on Twitter. I was genuinely shocked to see people I follow on Twitter defending her, but I suppose that and the fact this article was published, show that casual transphobia really isn't a big deal to many supposedly liberal people.

gyac, Sunday, 13 January 2013 13:23 (thirteen years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BAfod4nCYAAKcX-.png

Six days left to vote in the ILM End of Year Poll! (seandalai), Sunday, 13 January 2013 13:56 (thirteen years ago)

Steaua owner, MP and ex-MEP Gigi Becali, asked by Romania TV about his appearances in Said & Done: "God inspires me to say what I say, the British have no idea. It's just some crazy Brits from the Guardian [who quote you] if you talk about sex, prostitutes, tits … They're a satanic newspaper. They ridicule all that's pure and holy."

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, 13 January 2013 18:03 (thirteen years ago)

reverse ferret http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/14/1

stet, Monday, 14 January 2013 18:20 (thirteen years ago)

Charlie Brooker sent out a tweet this morning making clear his column was submitted last week and therefore had nothing to do with Julie Burchill.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 14 January 2013 18:24 (thirteen years ago)

The Observer is a paper which prides itself on ventilating difficult debates and airing challenging views.
How does letting Julie Burchill air what was basically a string of insults aimed at trans men and women come even close to this? You could get any old bigot off the street to do this. it's the very opposite of a challenging view.

gyac, Monday, 14 January 2013 18:25 (thirteen years ago)

guys guys guys "The Guardian Australian Digital Edition" is coming

You Just Haven't Formed It Yet, Babby (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 20:13 (thirteen years ago)

yar

zero dark thirty 2: zero dark forty five (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 22:07 (thirteen years ago)

highly significant because (a) melting-candle-slash-shitbag-warmonger rupert murdoch controls 70% of the press here and (b) notable greens supporter graeme wood is a founding investor

zero dark thirty 2: zero dark forty five (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 22:11 (thirteen years ago)

What can you tell me about him? He's this mystery benefactor to us.

Alba, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 22:41 (thirteen years ago)

'melting-candle'?

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 22:41 (thirteen years ago)

link bcz hueg: http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sites/default/files/images/rupert%20murdoch%204353453.jpg

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 23:28 (thirteen years ago)

What can you tell me about him? He's this mystery benefactor to us.

he gave the australian greens party its largest donation ever for the 2010 federal election campaign, and he also gave theglobalmail.org enough funding for five years of revenue-free operation iirc

zero dark thirty 2: zero dark forty five (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:56 (thirteen years ago)

'melting-candle'?

his face, as per sic's link

zero dark thirty 2: zero dark forty five (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:56 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/jan/17/radiohead-thom-yorke-david-cameron

I know the Guardian can't ignore such an obvious hits-bullseye, but FFS this is such a grimly on-target story.

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:17 (thirteen years ago)

Yorke really doesn't have a very adult view of the world around him does he?

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:17 (thirteen years ago)

not sure there's an answer to the question (as I assume it was posed to him) which avoids the possibility of looking naive or undeveloped

▼ardkore mort▼ (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:23 (thirteen years ago)

He's said a lot of fairly paranoid and childish shit over the years but yeah that was pretty obviously a question pitched right at him. It's an entirely reasonable response although possibly not realistic in a court of law.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:26 (thirteen years ago)

granted it's not the same thing and relatively zero-risk but it is kind of funny how, immediately after getting their fingers burned by their credo of 'it doesn't matter how shit and worthless an article is as long as lots of people read it', the Guardian jump right back into doing the same thing

▼ardkore mort▼ (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:27 (thirteen years ago)

is it the same thing or not? vote in our poll and comment below

▼ardkore mort▼ (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:28 (thirteen years ago)

Worthless but harmless really.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:28 (thirteen years ago)

it has to be said that Yorke's never really addressed the irony of being an anti-capitalist in a big stupid popular rock band in the same way that say the Preachers did while Richey was still alive

non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:28 (thirteen years ago)

460 comments for a story that appears to be been lazily pulled out of an NME interview in five minutes flat.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:30 (thirteen years ago)

it's almost as if a huge majority of people is forced to spend the day in some sort of glass and steel boredom factory, with 15 tabs open at once.

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:36 (thirteen years ago)

truth cluster bombs

non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:39 (thirteen years ago)

"I can't believe he'd like The King of Limbs much" is probably OTM though. I mean, no one likes it much.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:47 (thirteen years ago)

it's such a stupid question, like if it were going to happen or if it did happen it would be anything other than some lazy junior person fucking up

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:49 (thirteen years ago)

easier to ask than 'why wouldn't david cameron like your boutique alternative rock?'

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:50 (thirteen years ago)

Bit like the annual, always amusing Tory Party Conference sideshow of Bobby Gillespie going mental at 'Rocks' having been played somewhere before realising it was actually a song by the Dandy Warhols.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:52 (thirteen years ago)

it's such a stupid question, like if it were going to happen or if it did happen it would be anything other than some lazy junior person fucking up

aren't there so many "events" during a campaign that anything could end up being used?

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:53 (thirteen years ago)

yeah conceivably, but it wouldn't be like george osborne and grant shapps sat around deciding which high and dry b-side would best accompany an announcement about benefit freezes

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:56 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, agreed. think i read years ago about norman cook hearing somebody playing his track at a tory event in a shopping centre, and asking them to turn it off. is it even illegal?

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:58 (thirteen years ago)

I believe they give that job to Danny Alexander.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:58 (thirteen years ago)

"I can't say I love the idea of a banker liking our music"

this is even more risible imo

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:59 (thirteen years ago)

what if his music makes the banker feel really guilty?

non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:00 (thirteen years ago)

what if it is a good banker

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:01 (thirteen years ago)

not an evil one

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:01 (thirteen years ago)

Lethal Bizzle actually goes round Dalston every Saturday night asking Guardian-reading 20-something lefties to stop playing 'Pow!'.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:01 (thirteen years ago)

tbf, it's pretty insulting for the rich to steal alternative rock from the poor, given it's such a core part of their culture.

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:03 (thirteen years ago)

hopefully he checks if anybody's a banker at their gigs and then throws them out

non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:05 (thirteen years ago)

Inigo Bowen-Huntley, 43, from Henley-Upon-Thames, reflects the growing trend of Mayfair fund managers listening to adult alternative music. "After a hard day selling off distressed agricultural asssets to idiots in Zurich, you don't want to come home and listen to Vatican Shadow or, heaven forfend, Bish Bosch. Radiohead allow me to experience progressive sonics and coruscating beats but with an accessible, wry and relevant lyrical dimension which speaks directly to our time."

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:08 (thirteen years ago)

Trans protest outside my workplace 4.30 today... should cause a bit of a stir, I'm sure

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:38 (thirteen years ago)

Yet we're all right behind artistes who tell US Republican candidates not to use their tracks. I'm sympathetic to any performer who doesn't want their music used by politicians whose policies clash with their own political beliefs (IP laws make it their prerogative).

karl lagerlout (suzy), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:43 (thirteen years ago)

In fairness, Thom Yorke does say "who cares?" about the banker thing. I think we're all basically in agreement that it's a pretty shitty thing to happen to your work. Thom does sound kind of prissy about it and it's a dumb softball question in the first place, as if he was going to suddenly go "actually I think our welfare system does encourage dependency, cut benefits and make work pay!"

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:51 (thirteen years ago)

even to conceptualise evil as "a banker" seems pretty dense, i mean for someone who people would regard as intelligent.

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:56 (thirteen years ago)

Not sure the conceptualisation of evil is really what's going on here.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:05 (thirteen years ago)


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