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i don't think i would take kindly to the offer

I would. What do you have to lose, except your ego? It was already rejected by Sundance, you don't owe Soderbergh anything, not even using a single cut of his in your final release, and you might get some help in what appears to be a pretty slack, at times, 90 minutes.

i care about my ego

that's just me tho

I care about my money more

of all the decisions Schrader made in this project, is that really one of the more puzzling or objectionable ones by any measure?

also considering what generation he's from and who he's worked with, maybe he just considers Soderbergh a worthwhile person to talk to and consult but not someone he'd shit his pants over working with?

it's also just like . . . why WOULDN'T you be insulted? i think my instinct would be to preserve my sense of personal accomplishment and integrity rather than think about money

if some singer offered to step in front of my microphone and lay down some of my tracks for me i would be . . . pissed

then again i don't know how movies work, if this stuff happens all the time or not

just speaking personally

anytime anything gets taken away from you (or even the implication that it could get taken away), ppl get pretty defensive. you have to imagine having worked on something for a long time and then someone who has no involvement w/it offers (or is offered) to change it up.

people aren't thinking from the perspective of a lunatic legendary filmmaker who thought it was a good idea to team up with lindsay lohan and bret easton ellis for a micro-budget movie, they're thinking from the perspective of someone who wants to salvage some $$$ from this adventure

if you think about it in creative terms, ie this is something you've created from start to finish, and had your hands in every aspect of its development and realization, showing it to a peer for feedback and having them offer to edit it...I mean, there's no way Shrader says anything but no in this situation, to me at least

If it was something he hated working on and was just a ringer or whatever, that would be different.

yeah there are lots of directors who would be like HAVE AT IT, STEVIE, BETTER YOU THAN THAT VP OVER THERE if this was some studio fiasco but they probably wouldn't touch this movie in the first place

exactly

i would be . . . pissed

Film is famously collaborative. You can be a director and not have final cut, for example. Or it can be like Bertolucci's final cut of 'The Last Emperor' and be worse than the studio release. Editing is an immensely important part of cinema but relatively cheap compared to actually shooting. I'm just saying when there are that many red lights and you can not only talk to Soderbergh but he offers you three days of editing, I'd just be curious to see what he came up with and if any of it worked for me, I'd be all, "Sweet! Thanks, Steve!"

i feel like your premise requires that a guy who was working with Scorsese when Soderbergh was in short pants to be all STEPHEN SODERBERGH with stars in his eyes

"gee, thanks, steve!" vs "i was having awful sex with natassija kinski on the set of cat people when you were cutting together Yes concerts you fuckwad"

Actually, it means that someone who's been in film that long should be aware that a freebie from someone who's been that successful is something you shouldn't just refuse in a fit of pique. Fuck stars in your eyes. Give him a shot, see what he sees. Use what you like and don't use what you don't like. All Soderbergh could really do in 72 hours is re-cut some scenes to change the pacing. Given that the Marmont opening scene sounds like it's kinda limp, see what Sbergh can do with that since plausibly it's gotta be a shotcoming he sees too.

LOL @ da croupier

Michael your magical utopia denies the existence of ego ie the thing that powers the entirety of hollywood

I'm never making a microbudget with any of you fart-through-silk 'artists', that's for sure, esp. not with my own money.

is it just me or did it just get real in here

Man, I worked on small budget movies where the line producer would have ordered me to persoanlly blow Soderbergh if they could just get him to talk to the DP for 15 minutes much less spend 72 hours of his valuable time to re-edit the friggin' movie...

I respect Shrader, though. He probably didn't take umbrage at an offer so much as felt that 72 hours wasn't enough time to 'fix' the movie and the condescending thing was to offer so little.

The director is Shrader. Sure if it's you or anyone else who's struggling to get their movie made they'd do it. But given who Shrader is, his work up to this point, the fact that even when he's desperate he's still Paul Shrader and he knows it and he wants HIS name on it even if it tanks, it makes sense that he would turn down Soderbergh. This isn't just any small-budget movie. It's Shrader's small-budget movie

Anyway, cool article. I love that he brought up 'The Misfits'. My gf's a huge Gable fan and she basically blames Monroe for killing him. The comparison between Lohan and Monroe and the implication that Deen is an old-fashioned studio-style pro was pretty interesting. I wonder what LiLo even knows about Gable apart from GWTW.

it makes sense that he would turn down Soderbergh.

Why did he screen it for him in the first place?

i assumed for a critical point of view

undoubtedly for his two cents, and yeah i think you're right that he was shutting down that specific scenario (in the article he talks about how he'd need 72 hours to even go through the footage) rather than any input whatsoever

how many directors screen their movie for other directors with the intent of 'please edit this for me'

also maybe steven soderbergh just wandered in all "hey i heard a veteran screwball is filming with porn stars, what up"

lol otm

shrader shone the soderbergh batsignal (ie cock and balls)

how many directors screen their movie for other directors with the intent of 'please edit this for me'

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:29 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

didn't Terrence Malick toss around the new world and thin red line to a bunch of people cuz he hates editing?

haha really? tbf it is Malick so that's kinda exception that proves the rule territory :)

thin red line was like the longest thing i've ever seen

<3

yeah he hires a ton of editors but i don't see any evidence of him actually handing over the cut to anyone

I think the final cut of TTRL is Sean Penn's cut basically

the 5-6 hour version was the last one Malick really signed off on

he doesn't want you to engage with his work so much as take paid leave from your job to enjoy his films, lol

i heard penn helped but that malick was there before during and after for yay many months. he doesn't just toss the project over and say "fuck it"

(in the article he talks about how he'd need 72 hours to even go through the footage)

I misread that then. Yeah, Shrader's right that this would just be a delay and an additional minefield.

he doesn't just toss the project over and say "fuck it"

When you think of the hours, the sweat, the grit, the fights and the cajoling required to make a film, any film, no-one does this would doesn't essetially think that the movie is irredeemable.

ah ok he kept editing after Penn did his cut. Penn's description of it was a little self-serving I guess.

more i think about it, the more i bet soderbergh just wanted to copy all the lohan nude footage

imo jim caveziel got final cut on TTRL

surely the dinosaurs had some say in it

that nyt article is like the greatest gift i've ever received

I wasn't surprised LiLo and Schrader are broke, but what did Bret Easton Ellis do with all his money? (Never mind, I can guess.)

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i dont think it implies that schrader or ellis are broke, just that their careers have seen better days

the whole thing's just way too good to be true. it'd make an awesome movie, with schrader lohan et al playing themselves. i knew i was in for a treat when i got to this part:

At their second meeting, Lohan complained to Schrader about a biopic she was shooting for Lifetime, in which she played Elizabeth Taylor, one of her role models. She proclaimed the director a jerk, her co-star a nightmare and the crew unfriendly. On it went. Schrader listened for a while. He looked stricken. He softly tapped his balding head on the table. Lohan asked him what was the matter.

Pope, hoping to buck up morale, suggested raffling off two Samsung tablets used in the film. Schrader — whom the crew nicknamed the dyspeptic Lorax­ — wasn’t onboard.

They say Ellis's condo is underwater, but he's always been a guy into designer stuff. Costs a bunch.