Quentin Tarantino's Western movie "Django Unchained"

thread title: Isn't this a "Southern"?

xp Yeah, that's a "b-b-but I thought they killed Travolta off!"-level misreading of that scene.

I got that it was a flashback, but I agree that its insertion seemed clumsy, and that the scene's one joke goes on way too long.

I think the thing that makes Candie interesting as a villain -- and different from most of Tarantino's bad guys -- is that his villainy is less an expression of individual depravity than a product of an entire system and society. Like, QT could have made Candie a real, conniving, sadist -- but instead his affect is more like bored rich kid, thoughtlessly taking on the mantle of an inherited evil.

^^^ favorite thing about movie

i (eventually) read the baghead scene as a flashback too.

waltz was much better in the (otherwise mostly worse) IB but my favorite line might have been "i'm sorry; i couldn't resist."

yeah, flashback. they weren't retreating before the flashback, they were circling the wagons and hooting. it's a very funny scene, but as my friend pointed out it's surface-y funny - it actually makes the regulators scarier that they're just a bunch of dumb sweaty hicks

Like, I think his floridness establishes him as distinctly European, and educated, in a way in which the other characters are not. Candice's inherited wealth doesn't doesn't make him schultz's equal (one of the films better jokes is that Candie is a Francophile who not only doesn't speak French, but doesnt like others embarrasing him by speaking it around him).

― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Friday, January 4, 2013 10:11 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

nero's cameo is great because it deflates the euro=civilized schema the film would've been left with if only schultz was in it

i do agree that waltz was only alright; doubt he'll ever top hans landa, he does some solid work here but doesnt steal the show

ever since spike lee pointed out years ago that black people never get to kiss each other in hollywood movies, its something i always notice when it does and doesn't happen. so it was cool when django and hildy got their reunion kiss, bathed in glowing light. the whole fairy tale angle with hildy as the princess and django as her heroic knight is another thing that you almost never see with black actors in those roles. throughout the candieland scenes there's tension when django keeps reaching for his gun and backing away, but schultz is the one who loses his cool and fucks them over. there's a lot of subtle convention-busting in this movie, its pretty sweet imo

i liked how it was made clear ("he's just never seen a man torn apart by dogs before", the nightmare flashback scene, other stuff) that the reason django "stays in character" and retains his cool while schultz eventually snaps is that django's grown up immersed in all this shit and schultz has memories of a less brutal civilization that make it harder for him to deal w this one

was way bored for a lot of this btw but i don't remember which parts.

snowman bottles and skis were a drag

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I wasn't quite bored, but there's some deflationary dawdle from when they set out to Candyland all the way through the dinner scene. It doesn't really liven up again until the handshake showdown between Candie and Schultz.

i liked how it was made clear ("he's just never seen a man torn apart by dogs before", the nightmare flashback scene, other stuff) that the reason django "stays in character" and retains his cool while schultz eventually snaps is that django's grown up immersed in all this shit and schultz has memories of a less brutal civilization that make it harder for him to deal w this one

― difficult listening hour, Friday, January 4, 2013 12:25 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah exactly. and it leads to my favorite line in the movie, maybe - he's just not as used to Americans as I am

i was a little restless by the time the australian slaver scene hit. but i still loved the conceit behind it - django is hustling these guys because they think of slaves as being incapable of guile, so he plays dumb and gets what he wants out of them. it's a canny portrait of how irl slaves would play a role to resist & trick their owners

Weinstein must scare the shit/bribe the fuck out of the critics to get so many ***** reviews. He must have some serious chops to garner so many good reviews for such a pile of shit. I did enjoy the first half hour, the rest was just standard Tarantino sheeeit.

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liked/loved every Tarantino movie until this. IB was fantastic, this was really one note.

a few good moments like 'Mississippi' and Tarantino exploding tho

i couldn't stand IB and i liked this quite a lot

there was really almost nothing surprising throughout - it's a revenge movie, you know who the good guys are, you know django is gonna get good at shooting people, he shoots people, looks like a badass, wife is basically a non-character princess. a few cute things here and there but didn't feel like there was a single scene w/ much weight cause everything that happened was what you knew was bound to happen. kill bill and IB were collections of amazing scenes that could be appreciated on their own even tho they added up to clunkier movies than his earlier stuff. this wasn't even that. seeing the trailer for this movie is seeing this movie.

i don't like clunky movies. even in the extra turn at the end this had me going. i'll have to think about why i felt this worked and IB didn't; the cast is probably a lot of it. it had the exact same audacity of tarantino playing around with histories he might not have the 'right' to mess with.

Tarantino should do a 9/11 movie next and then retire.

thought that's what Zero Dark Thirty was

Did anyone else notice that DiCaprio's muscle/bodyguard Butch is played by the dude who was Ajax in the Warriors?

I'm a little curious about what the third movie in this prospective trilogy would be. like where do you go after nazis and slavery...

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minor factual plot point: why was candie's hand bleeding in the tail end of the big dinner scene? did i blink

Apparently DiCaprio cut it on glass while filming the scene, just kept rolling with it until the take was done.

uh, so does that mean he wiped his actual blood on kerry washington's face?

yeah, there's no way

just a bit of dna let's be cool

He smashed his glass. I'm sure it was staged. Come on.

final movie to complete the trilogy is obviously the Endor genocide

haha.

i too missed the glass-smashing and was wondering about the blood.

theres this little cordial glass on the right edge of the screen that he slams his hand on. they used that take, but the part where he wipes his blood on KW's face is a different shot so it prob wasnt his real blood

final movie to complete the trilogy is obviously the Endor genocide

LOL

I'm a little curious about what the third movie in this prospective trilogy would be. like where do you go after nazis and slavery...

― If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier),

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I was thinking of Django as part 3 of a revenge trilogy with Kill Bill and IB.

― improvised explosive advice (WmC), Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:44 PM (8 months ago)

I still hope this turns out to be the case.

Yup

a slightly masochistic streak wants him to do sci fi next

:O

don't understand this talk of "what will the revenge trilogy end with"

haven't there already been three explicitly revenge-based movies? kill bill, inglourious basterds, and this one?

IB and DU are revisionist history revenge fantasies. Kill Bill is just straight-up fiction.

Tarantino could probably do a decent Crazy Horse biopic.

IB and DU are revisionist history revenge fantasies. Kill Bill is just straight-up fiction.

There are the same number of real historical figures in Kill Bill and Django (0).

Tarantino sez:

I don’t know exactly when I’m going to do it, but there’s something about this that would suggest a trilogy. My original idea for Inglourious Basterds way back when was that this [would be] a huge story that included the [smaller] story that you saw in the film, but also followed a bunch of black troops, and they had been f–ked over by the American military and kind of go apes–t. They basically — the way Lt. Aldo Raines (Brad Pitt) and the Basterds are having an “Apache resistance” — [the] black troops go on an Apache warpath and kill a bunch of white soldiers and white officers on a military base and are just making a warpath to Switzerland.

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you mean AL DO RAINE isn't real?

;_;

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mea culpa

Betting he'll do an HBO miniseries sooner or later. Given how most (all?) of his movies are divided into chapters anyway, seems like it'd be a good fit.

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