Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

Fuck tho, would never tweet a pic of my meal, can't get into that at all. I feel like a twat for even taking a photo on my iPhone in public.

would like to see a Readers' Kebabs thread on ILX

"French dip jus is not 'gravy', it's un-thickened stock sieved from the pan scrapings ie. 'pre-gravy'. Sorry to be such a sticking pedant about this."

To be more of a pedant, UK gravy can often be exactly this, unthickened pan juices, scrapped off with the help of hot water. Flour to thicken is often used too, but not always.

i'll tweet about somewhere i've eaten if it was particularly good (or particularly bad and i was grumpy). i like seeing restaurant recommendations from the people i follow, it's one of the most useful aspects of twitter. any time i've asked for recommendations in a particular area it's always been v fruitful. i don't usually care whether the restaurant itself sees the tweet although if they're new it's nice if they feel encouraged.

considers changing display name to "Jus did 9/11"

As a boy, I enjoyed kicking a can down a road.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/03/us-europe-can-kickers-leaders

Different times.

this was good though

aw god lex i love you but this was rubbish, worst thing in the mag that weekend.

More pedantary for anyone interested: saying a slider is a mini-burger is like saying that an omelette is just a fried egg. The difference is the preparation - a slider is a meat pattie which has been steamed on a bed of fried onions. By the way, I'm a North American hipster who enjoys most of the food mentioned and is probably disliked by this writer.

Don't think that exclusive preparation technique has made it over the ocean - think it just means "mini-burger" over here. I have a feeling I've had things in the US called sliders which were not steamed either, but wouldn't swear to it.

The real, original slider:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mayeanrvHv1qhfyymo1_500.jpg

god, white castle... one element of american culture that truly doesn't live up to the hype. vile things.

not grilled, not fried, they're... STEAMED!

Steamed Hams all round!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/8bafd9d4c68b4ea390fd26b34a3079af/tumblr_mesd4h4BWG1qzcrdxo1_500.jpg

I am fairly sure slider is being used in they broader sense in the US too, based on reading Serious Eats, though maybe I'm wrong.

In that broader sense

See, we had this term 'mini-burgers' to describe small non-slider, non-White Castle hamburgers before some hipster arsehole in America decided All Must Be Sliders. I will eat White Castle as whimfood (my mom will drive to one, buy $10/$20 worth, and then we all go through them like a cartoon swarm of termites on a log) but they must be the cheeseburger version.

god, white castle... one element of american culture that truly doesn't live up to the hype. vile things.

YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW

THEY GAVE ME THE HECTIC SHITS DAN P, I REFUSE TO TAKE THAT BACK!

then you have truly experienced the gamut of White Castle

go in peace, my son

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/brain-flapping/2013/jan/08/alcohol-friend-foe-consequences-health

posted here to solemnly note that a passing mention of the drug crack in the article is hyperlinked to the wikipedia entry for crack

Is that an SEO thing*? The articles often seem to hyperlink individual words for no obvious reason.

*i have no idea how SEO works.

cyalis angel dust angel haze facebook mediafire hagel guess papers

No, not an SEO thing. Just an overenthusiastic/inexperienced sub.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/13/julie-burchill-suzanne-moore-transsexuals

I nevertheless felt indignant that a woman of such style and substance should be driven from her chosen mode of time-wasting by a bunch of dicks in chicks' clothing.

um, wow. (jaw too agape to have read beyond that point so far, i admit.)

Given how much has already been written about this incident, and how much anger and division it's generated, I can't see any possible value in publishing this column. In internet shitstorm terms this is what Burchill is doing:

http://relapsereviews.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/butch_cassidy_and_the_sundance_kid.jpg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/13/julie-burchill-suzanne-moore-transsexuals

I nevertheless felt indignant that a woman of such style and substance should be driven from her chosen mode of time-wasting by a bunch of dicks in chicks' clothing.

um, wow. (jaw too agape to have read beyond that point so far, i admit.)

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Julie Burchill thoughtfully ponders transphobia (above)

leftist brit twitter is alight already, quality trolling jules, quality.

It is literally hatespeech. Fuck the Guardian.

(btw this is what Moore did http://storify.com/stavvers/suzanne-moore-s-transphobic-meltdown ...and the commentariat enthusiastically defended her)

It makes me so fucking annoyed that they keep hiring her back. It's barely different to the Mail running Jan Moir pieces for clicks.

The reaction of the trans lobby reminded me very much of those wretched inner-city kids who shoot another inner-city kid dead in a fast-food shop for not showing them enough "respect".

Wretched.

Inner city kids love their fast food shops

It makes me so fucking annoyed that they keep hiring her back

I know there's a shared website, but she's not been hired back by the Guardian – she writes for the Observer. Completely separate editors.

Amazing that back in 2001, this could run without even having the justification of her fighting for a friend:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2001/jan/20/weekend.julieburchill

That one is really hateful, it goes so deep into hatred and prejudice - amazing an editor didn't stop it.

I know there's a shared website, but she's not been hired back by the Guardian – she writes for the Observer. Completely separate editors.

You're absolutely right. The Guardian has generally been quite good on trans issues. I thought she was at the Observer before as well but possibly not.

She really doesn't like the black and white mistrels, does she?

With friends who say things like that while purporting to defend her, Suzanne Moore doesn't need enemies. Twitter's already turned into The Birds over this, and I don't think CiF have turned on the comments on JB yet. Until quite recently, I had no idea (beyond Germaine Greer) that old school feminists-with-transphobia was a thing, but apparently so? One of the hardest parts about being a (public) feminist is how you handle the way the discourse moves on from what it was when you first engaged with feminism, and how that newer form of feminism reacts to the relative privilege of older feminists (whether or not they are figureheads for anything).

Anyone who wants to lodge a complaint about the Burchill piece should take it up with John Mulholland, the Observer's editor - or take it to the Observer's Comment editor, who is most likely the commissioner of the article and the person who let it run. Their Readers' Editor is also a good person to contact.

Comments were turned on about twenty minutes ago. 108 so far, "mostly wtf were you thinking in running this?"

Yeah - saw that. Was writing post before 11, didn't hit submit until well after.

Burchill has always flaunted her ugly prejudices and people keep hiring her back. She isn't actually a particularly good writer and she comes across as a terrible person at virtually all times.

the "defending a mate" bit makes it even worse, imo.

i mean, for the cringey story of their silly lives as much as anything else.

I didn't feel sorry for Suzanne Moore at all, after seeing what she'd written on Twitter. I was genuinely shocked to see people I follow on Twitter defending her, but I suppose that and the fact this article was published, show that casual transphobia really isn't a big deal to many supposedly liberal people.

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Steaua owner, MP and ex-MEP Gigi Becali, asked by Romania TV about his appearances in Said & Done: "God inspires me to say what I say, the British have no idea. It's just some crazy Brits from the Guardian [who quote you] if you talk about sex, prostitutes, tits … They're a satanic newspaper. They ridicule all that's pure and holy."

reverse ferret http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/14/1

Charlie Brooker sent out a tweet this morning making clear his column was submitted last week and therefore had nothing to do with Julie Burchill.

The Observer is a paper which prides itself on ventilating difficult debates and airing challenging views.
How does letting Julie Burchill air what was basically a string of insults aimed at trans men and women come even close to this? You could get any old bigot off the street to do this. it's the very opposite of a challenging view.