2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

yeah, I mean *I'm* getting psychologically tired of the whole campaign, but that's not a good enough reason for Clinton to drop out this week. What I am unsure about is whether it would be good for the Dem chances of taking the White House in November to keep the primary going until the convention. Maybe it would be to have people mostly on the same side of issues (as opposed to tactics/strategies) keep going at each other, rather than have the right-wingers get to focus. I just don't know.

a lot really depends on the media play of it. the narrative is stalled, and 'hillary strikes back!' makes for a good next act.

yea, and this will be the narrative for a while if she pulls off narrow victories. but there is a long time before PA, and fortunately i think the delegate numbers will sink deeper and deeper into the media's consciousness, especially because obama will likely net a few more delegates when wyoming and mississippi vote in a week or so. even the clinton campaign has been saying that this is a race for delegates (at least that was their line around 2/5)

between now and april 22.

fuuuuuuuuck

part of the moveon obama party thing. mine was in bed-stuy and was hosted by a drag queen.

SAN FRANCISCO Democrats! (or LUCKY CHENG Democrats!)

Kroft: "But is Hillary Clinton a man?"

Obama: "Of course not. I mean — let me — I have no reason to believe she's a man. She had said she's a woman and I have no reason to doubt her.

Kroft: "And you are willing to go on record REJECTING these charges, or will you merely 'denounce' them? The charges that she is a man."

Obama: "Yes. No. As far as I know. COUGH-PENIS-COUGH."

Kroft: "Would you describe these charges as scurrilous?"

have the campaigns released their February fundraising totals yet? anyone here have the numbers?

hillary's camp has done a real good job of pushing the media narrative into 'hillary has momentum' mode i think. reading thepage made me all worried again lol

plus shes pretty convincingly making the case that she'll push on past tuesday - implying to her supporters that hope is not lost, dont give up the fight etc, which seems like a good tactic regardless of whether it is true that she will or not (it will of course also inflame the opposition so maybe it will come out as a toss up?)

have the campaigns released their February fundraising totals yet? anyone here have the numbers?

not to my knowledge (you said "campaigns" -- clinton raised $35 million, mccain $12 million, but obama hasn't released them yet)

i thought they would release the number today, but maybe they're holding back in the event that clinton pulls off narrow victories. since they've already said that their number is "considerably more" than hillary's, it'd be a way to interrupt the hillary-comeback narrative, i guess.

it better be more than $50 mil if he really wants that to effectively stop her - thats been the assumed amount since she released her numbers

fundraising numbers:

Obama
Semi-Pro
Clinton
Vantage Point

urmorbs post^

Oh come on, morbs isn't that old

The National Weather Service is looking for freezing rain to cover most of the northern half of the state, which will be under a winter storm through Wednesday morning. The weather service says if temperatures fail to crack the freezing mark on Tuesday, a "significant" coating of ice is possible.

Across most of southern Ohio, there's a threat of heavy rain and flooding. The forecasters expect 1 to 2 inches of rainfall in the region on primary day, with even higher amounts possible in some areas.

maybe the senior citizens will stay home?

(my grandparents are 90 and support hillary, but i think they got absentee ballots)

The Dallas Morning News gets hold of Clinton caucus "training materials," in which supporters are instructed to fight for procedural control of caucuses.

The materials say in part, "DO NOT allow the supporter of another candidate to serve in leadership roles."

It goes on to say, "If our supporters are outnumbered, ask the Temporary Chair if one of our supporters can serve as the Secretary, in the interest of fairness.

"The control of the sign-in sheets and the announcement of the delegates allotted to each candidate are the critical functions of the Chair and Secretary. This is why it is so important that Hillary supporters hold these positions."

Some of the moments on the ground in Nevada showed how crucial technical control can be, particularly when -- there, as expected in Texas -- nobody has any idea what the rules are. Really makes you love the caucus process.

Wow, now that smells disturbingly bad...

gff ok, sorry, so you were saying she f*cked up with her response? alright. i still don't buy that but i respect it.

once again i am shocked, shocked that there is politics going on in this campaign

hey tracer what do you think about this kind of politics?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/2/201352/0048/265/467565

i mean really, how far does she have to go before you think 'you know, maybe shes being kind of sleazy?'

wow @ using people as signposts

deej i think that's a third-hand comment from a blog, is what i think

let's assume it's all true though - is it sleazy to hire a marketing company to get fake "supporters" out to hold signs for you? dunno

yeah it is, kinda

I mean lolz get some real black supporters

i lean more towards "something every candidate does but which no one is proud of and would be embarrassed by if rumbled" - clinton shoulda paid them more not to say things like "paid for"!!!

xpost well yeah, hard not to draw that conclusion - which makes me question the third-hand "reporting" and sudden vaulting to prominence on the biggest dem activist blog in the world

things which have resonance in people's preconceived narratives are the things which tends to get traction, and i think it's clear that the "liberal blogosphere" has determined that it is in fact hillary clinton who is the antichrist

I'm so glad all of you enlightened white people are out there to pick up on the outrage on things like this; it really does offset my complete and utter apathy/couldn't-possibly-care-less-itude.

(nb I support Obama but getting outraged about Clinton paying some people to hold signs for her is really stupid.)

stuff white people like: sanctimonious outrage

oh I'm not outraged it just seems kinda silly.

Do we notice, though, when a candidate does not stoop to the level of fabricating supporters or distorting facts or smirking? I think many Americans do.

dailykos is outraged

(nb I support Obama but getting outraged about Clinton paying some people to hold signs for her is really stupid.)

yeah i see dudes on the sidewalk every day getting paid to hold signs for men's suit sales and strip clubs and haircuts. not sure where the horror at paid sign-holding comes from.

i bet hillary paid the people who produced her tv ads too.

seems kind of irresponsible to run a word of mouth story like that without doing any research or questioning to prove that the people holding the signs were chosen to do so because they were black.

but i guess that's what blogging is all about.

So apparently Clinton made a remark lauding her and McCain's "decades" of experience, compared to Obama, who "made a speech in 2002." Seems like tricky territory to me.

er sorry, a "lifetime" of experience.

The rabid anti-Hillary media is really gonna run with that story tomorrow, I'm sure.

What a coincidence! I, too, have been having experiences all my life. I wish I could remember more of them.

god, naomi klein is an idiot. I assume she'll also be all "why is it bad that they're calling obama articulate? it's an insult to the many articulate Americans." because in context they're both racist codewords, you jackass.

I just got back from my hillary-hating meeting, what did I miss?

Lots of reposted Drudge and Politico links.

not a single lollable jpeg in over 2 days

that mccain/hillary one's pretty good.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/03/02/nyregion/03papaya.2.large.jpg

You know, i could use some hot doggery in my life, famous or not

not a bad slogan

Come to think of it, I've never had a NY hot dog. I just always assumed this was one of the many food areas that Chicago surpassed it. Is it like a Coney Island or something?

one of the many food the only area that Chicago surpassed it.

chicago is known for its bagels, right

cant forget that ol perennial fave the windy city cheesecake