the best way out of a tense gun control debate with family, I've found, is "Look, regardless about how you feel about citizens having guns, I think we can all agree that we'll need some sort of weapons for the upcoming *wave your hands in the air* Zombie Apocalypse" and then while everyone's laughing try to sneak away,
― Cunga, Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
you mean culture creates reality? get outta town
Ha, yeah. I'm probably just having an inarticulate day. So does the US allow tobacco ads? Either way, if you have mandatory health warnings I suppose that's a precedent for restricting advertising.
― the so-called socialista (dowd), Thursday, 27 December 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
I kind of think that's OTM though - I mean not zombies but the reasons behind the rise of Zombie Culture - the whole right-wing thing is that times of ease and plenty and the benevolent government are fake and eventually everything's going to be a resource race of people who are Like You vs people who are Not Like You and your fancy rights (or unconstitutional extension of rights to those Not Like You) will go right out the window. And tbh a lot of the news suggests that this might be getting closer (environemental upheaval, near or far fuel shortages), but in ways that aren't straightforwardly processed by your beliefs, so they leak around the edges into lolzombies and don't take our guns.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
Bash sorry things getting tangled - these are the reasons for Zombie Culture, they apply to most people obviously, but particularly with the survivalist right and their love for guns (and lack of desire for the government to do anything about it (and to an extent lack of a desire for anyone to do anything about it as it will involve Shit Getting Real and they have a PhD in Real-ity)).
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 27 December 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
The US allows tobacco ads, yes.
Um, I suppose I mean that the ideas or associations that are attached to the gun would alter people's behaviour with it.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 28 December 2012 01:42 (eleven years ago) link
he's just an odd shaped piece of organic material
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 28 December 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
he's dangerous in the same way you're dangerous: perpetuates and defends gun culture
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 28 December 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
believe me if i took one of these fantasy courses, everyone's insurance premiums should go up.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 28 December 2012 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
Great Gun Control! ILX, Debate!
The Buckeye Firearms Foundation will be providing free firearms training to teachers and school administrative staff. This announcement following the devastating shooting that left 27 dead at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT in December.As of Wednesday, the Armed Teacher Training Program has attracted more than 600 applicants from several states including Ohio, Arizona, California, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Washington and West Virginia."We knew this would be popular, but the response has exceeded out expectations," said Jim Irvine, Chairman of the Buckeye Firearms Foundation. "People doubted if we would fill the first class. That happened in hours. This is something many in our schools have been asking about for a long time."While the state of Ohio generally prohibits firearms at school, the law includes a provision that allows teachers and staff to carry firearms if approved by the school board.The Armed Teacher Training Program is completely voluntary."No one will be forced to be armed if they choose not to. The strategy is the same as ordinary concealed carry. No one will ever know who is or is not armed. Those who seek to do harm in schools should be met with armed resistance, even before law enforcement shows up. Over time, schools will no longer be considered easy, risk-free targets."
As of Wednesday, the Armed Teacher Training Program has attracted more than 600 applicants from several states including Ohio, Arizona, California, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Washington and West Virginia.
"We knew this would be popular, but the response has exceeded out expectations," said Jim Irvine, Chairman of the Buckeye Firearms Foundation. "People doubted if we would fill the first class. That happened in hours. This is something many in our schools have been asking about for a long time."
While the state of Ohio generally prohibits firearms at school, the law includes a provision that allows teachers and staff to carry firearms if approved by the school board.
The Armed Teacher Training Program is completely voluntary.
"No one will be forced to be armed if they choose not to. The strategy is the same as ordinary concealed carry. No one will ever know who is or is not armed. Those who seek to do harm in schools should be met with armed resistance, even before law enforcement shows up. Over time, schools will no longer be considered easy, risk-free targets."
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― "reading specialist" (Z S), Wednesday, 2 January 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
Over time, schools will no longer be considered easy, risk-free targets.
News story of 2022:
As more and more would-be mass murderers who target schools are finding out these days, it is less easy than it used to be a few years back, when anyone could walk into a school and kill a few dozen children before dying themselves. Last year, for the first time since 1973, the average number of dead children per school attack fell below 5, an important psychological threshold, says NRA president Dick Tracy III, who credits the fall to the growing numbers of fully armed and body-armored teachers. "This is a triumph of our No Teacher Left Unarmed gun policy," a beaming Tracy said.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
meanwhile in kentucky...
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1484956/kentucky%20xmas.png
― toy_sleigher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 2 January 2013 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
a man was shot and killed one block from our house on Monday night. We live in what is considered to be a quiet and very safe residential neighborhood and in fact moved in the spring in order to get to a slightly safer area. : /
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 4 January 2013 06:44 (eleven years ago) link
A quote for the ages:
"I think Martin Luther King, Jr. would agree with me if he were alive today that if African Americans had been given the right to keep and bear arms from day one of the country's founding, perhaps slavery might not have been a chapter in our history."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
okay what the hell
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
Have a feeling the guy just heard about slavery the other day when he saw Django Unchained.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
i think he's mixing up his black civil rights leaders
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
just a bit
If Lincoln hadn't watched Our American Cousin that fateful night, I would have married my college crush.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
But your college crush was Mark Wahlberg.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
Priceless
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
If Martin Luther King Jr. had a gun when someone with a gun tried to shoot him, and knew where and when that shooter was going to strike, then maybe he could have shot that shooter first before someone else shot MLK for shooting someone, and the entire country erupted into an armed race war.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
someone send this link to TNC please...
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 January 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
If Sharon Tate had had a gun etc etc etc
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Friday, 11 January 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
if only the millions of free Africans who chose to emigrate to the USA had been given guns on arrival
― non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Friday, 11 January 2013 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
if only the native Americans had had the foresight to spend their money on firearms instead of cholera-riddled blankets
― non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Friday, 11 January 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
If only Buzz Aldrin had had a gun he could have been the first man to walk on the moon not Armstrong
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Friday, 11 January 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
If only every foetus was given a firearm upon conception
― heartless restaurant reviewer (ledge), Friday, 11 January 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
if only Elvis had had a gun
― non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Friday, 11 January 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
if only guns had guns when obama banned all of our guns
― arby's, Friday, 11 January 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
If only Randy Weaver had had a gun
― REBEL YELL FOR HUGS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/10/us/home-invasion-gun-rights/index.html
I'm glad this lady had an assault rifle and was able to defend herself. Oh wait it was a revolver? Nevermind.
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Saturday, 12 January 2013 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/nra-app-practice-range-86174.html?hp=f3
― iatee, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
ahaha. my crappy local FOX affiliate (WNYC) just reported on an attempted burglary of a home on that was on that interactive gun owners map. the entire story was on how criminals can use that map to find homes with guns, and at the end of the story they say, "it's too early to know if the criminals actually used the map in choosing this residence." what the hell is that.
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 03:14 (eleven years ago) link
sounds like local news
― Z S, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
The gun map (two counties in NY): http://www.lohud.com/interactive/article/20121223/NEWS01/121221011/Map-Where-gun-permits-your-neighborhood-
― for the relief of unbearable space hugs (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 14:58 (eleven years ago) link
The commenters at NPR enter the debate: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/12/26/168075748/n-y-website-posts-map-of-people-with-gun-permits-draws-criticism
― for the relief of unbearable space hugs (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
xxp local news with a fox attitude, i.e, right-wing fear mongering paranoia. i miss the days when fox attitude meant al bundy flushing a toilet to wild hooting and hollering.
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
Gawker also released a list: http://gawker.com/5974190/here-is-a-list-of-all-the-assholes-who-own-guns-in-new-york-city
― for the relief of unbearable space hugs (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
I'm still not sure which part I feel more creeped out by: that someone can just release all this information publically, or that I'm surrounded by LOADS of people with handguns who I was blissfully ignoring until now.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
it's weird because I thought one strand of the gun rights movement was that owning a gun increases your personal safety since criminals will know not to fuck with you, so why wouldn't you want criminals to know your address? after all they'd know you have a gun and wouldn't come rob u rite??
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
someone can just release all this information publically,
This information is already public. Just because you have to look for it doesn't mean you can't find it.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
xp: They might come and steal your guns.
― how's life, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not with the NRA, but I'm definitely with the privacy advocates. Publishing these names is not journalism.
― for the relief of unbearable space hugs (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
sure it is
― iatee, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
Michelle Malkin and other conservative bloggers have published names and addresses, using publicly available records. And just shrugged it off when people got harassed.
― for the relief of unbearable space hugs (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
Charming.
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/15/this_man_helped_save_six_children_is_now_getting_harassed_for_it/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
Jesus. I realize there's a conspiracy theory for everything, but these people are a special kind of horrible.
― for the relief of unbearable space hugs (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
wow. i'm speechless. some people are dangerously unhinged. and they're armed.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
A pro-Second Amendment group in Georgia has partnered with a gun shop in the state to give away a free AR-15 assault rifle -- like the one used to slaughter 20 children in Newtown last month -- in an effort to oppose new gun control legislation.
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
― for the relief of unbearable space hugs (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Otm. I was genuinely shocked to read this stuff today. Shouldn't have been, I know, but ... people can still surprise me, I guess.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:43 (eleven years ago) link