this has long since been nothing more than a repository of links for future generations.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 20:12 (thirteen years ago)
ZDT being "pro-torture" isn't even the crux for me.
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 20:16 (thirteen years ago)
careful you don't stray too far from st. greenwald there or you might get kicked out of the fan club
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 20:18 (thirteen years ago)
Richard Brody: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/movies/2012/12/richard-brody-on-the-deceptive-emptiness-of-zero-dark-thirty.html
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 21:41 (thirteen years ago)
my only question is "how was Chris Pratt?"
― GIMME SOME REGGAE (DJP), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 21:51 (thirteen years ago)
Brody generally otm
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 22:02 (thirteen years ago)
good read, thanks gubke
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 23:30 (thirteen years ago)
Senators weigh in: http://www.deadline.com/2012/12/zero-dark-thirty-grossly-inaccurate-senators-tell-sony/
― Gukbe, Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:18 (thirteen years ago)
The use of torture should be banished from serious public discourse for these reasons alone, but more importantly, because it is a violation of the Geneva Conventions, because it is an affront to America’s national honor, and because it is wrong. The use of torture in the fight against terrorism did severe damage to America’s values and standing that cannot be justified or expunged. It remains a stain on our national conscience.
this is sort of gratifying to read
― If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:23 (thirteen years ago)
more than sort of tbh
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Thursday, 20 December 2012 14:19 (thirteen years ago)
the capitulations Feinstein and McCain made that enabled the policies in question make it ring a little more hollow than I would like
― If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 December 2012 16:22 (thirteen years ago)
Christopher Hayes @chrislhayesSaw Zero Dark 30. Good lord. Have lots of thoughts, which I'll save for our discussion w/ @ggreenwald @attackerman @hinashamsi on Sat.
― Gukbe, Friday, 21 December 2012 19:28 (thirteen years ago)
oh man
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2012 19:38 (thirteen years ago)
Hot damn!
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Friday, 21 December 2012 19:49 (thirteen years ago)
hot man!
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2012 19:51 (thirteen years ago)
zero dark mercy!
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 21 December 2012 19:52 (thirteen years ago)
kind of odd that the New Yorker paired up the reviews for Zero Dark Thirty and This Is 40
― dmr, Friday, 21 December 2012 19:59 (thirteen years ago)
next week's double feature, 50/50 and Gone in 60 Seconds
― dmr, Friday, 21 December 2012 20:00 (thirteen years ago)
Don't worry: David Denby and his pellucid insights were on display.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2012 20:00 (thirteen years ago)
Chris Hayes: the film inspired "moral revulsion" in him and it "colludes with evil."
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 December 2012 14:19 (thirteen years ago)
where was this discussion?
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 December 2012 14:31 (thirteen years ago)
going on now on Chris Hayes' show.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 December 2012 14:34 (thirteen years ago)
it woulda helped if Hayes had invited a film critic though
our boy Greenwald is on there too
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 December 2012 14:37 (thirteen years ago)
Oh ffs
― Simon H., Saturday, 22 December 2012 14:42 (thirteen years ago)
Alex Gibney lays out ZD30's pro-torture slant as methodically as I've seen it:
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/22/zero_dark_thirty_is_indefensible/
― Simon H., Saturday, 22 December 2012 21:09 (thirteen years ago)
i saw this!
― max, Sunday, 23 December 2012 15:41 (thirteen years ago)
and?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 December 2012 15:42 (thirteen years ago)
its too long
― max, Sunday, 23 December 2012 15:42 (thirteen years ago)
good talk lol
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 December 2012 15:50 (thirteen years ago)
hour in, and this is kinda boring
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 December 2012 03:15 (thirteen years ago)
(viewing a screener, fyi)
a pair of law & order detectives (one a spunky redhead, one a charming brutalist) team up with the hand-held camera from Friday Night Lights to catch Bin Laden. Since I know they do, the only thing keeping me going is the alleged eventuality of Chris Pratt.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 December 2012 03:22 (thirteen years ago)
The film's tech virtues need the big screen.
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 December 2012 03:35 (thirteen years ago)
i didnt get bored till after abt 2 hours
pratt is good but you just want him to be andy dwyer. he has one classic line tho
― max, Thursday, 27 December 2012 03:40 (thirteen years ago)
gave up at 1h30 when committed+spunky's new boss did the "i learned from my predecessor not to disagree with you" thing zzzz
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 December 2012 03:41 (thirteen years ago)
i've now seen two of the three Government's Gotta Do What A Government's Gotta Do Oscar movies. Preferred Lincoln, but I bet I'll be on Team Argo in the end.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 December 2012 03:42 (thirteen years ago)
Yeach co-sign on this, not surprised it was a patience-tester on a TV.
― Simon H., Thursday, 27 December 2012 03:47 (thirteen years ago)
I don't know from a fucking C Pratt sitcom, he was a hot Scott Hatteberg.
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 December 2012 04:18 (thirteen years ago)
Argo is a worse movie than this, and just about as evil.
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 December 2012 04:19 (thirteen years ago)
morbs otm
― max, Thursday, 27 December 2012 13:04 (thirteen years ago)
aw, i was hoping it would be the "comedy = tragedy + time" entry in this year of US government retrospectives
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 December 2012 13:12 (thirteen years ago)
More like comedy and tragedy fill time.
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Thursday, 27 December 2012 13:30 (thirteen years ago)
That's the puncture of funny.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 December 2012 13:39 (thirteen years ago)
http://blogs.indiewire.com/criticwire/from-the-wire-critics-and-morally-engaged-viewers
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 January 2013 17:38 (thirteen years ago)
I liked this a lot, and was honestly strongly emotionally effected by it. It's a deeply mournful film--almost a funeral dirge. We start in blackness and bare panic and suffering and open in a literal torture chamber. Tellingly, there is a shot where the audience is shut inside a box. We end in billowing black clouds and non-cathartic grief. "Do you know what you just did?"
Also, a very suggestive idea of "risk" seems to be at play. UBL hunt compared to Iraq WMD, both at 60% certainly. Interesting question raised as to what makes the calculation of risk on either side more ethical. A very troubling movie, intentionally so I think.
― ryan, Friday, 4 January 2013 00:10 (thirteen years ago)
have you read the thread?
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 January 2013 00:13 (thirteen years ago)
Yes. Did I miss something I should read again?
― ryan, Friday, 4 January 2013 00:14 (thirteen years ago)
only that the movie troubles us
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 January 2013 00:15 (thirteen years ago)
Indeed! Only pointlessly throwing in my belated two cents. Maybe more than "troubling" I mean it seems like a profoundly troubled movie. It's an open wound, UBL seems to stand more for a lost chance at restitution than eye for eye justice. As in the Obama clip which is so pointedly ignored, it's about "moral standing" and the lack thereof.
― ryan, Friday, 4 January 2013 01:07 (thirteen years ago)