showtime's Homeland =[a tolerable claire danes, mandy patinkin & that girl from firefly naked]

I felt cheated by the finale. My own fault for wanting closure on a hit TV show, but the only reaction I had to the ending was, 'They got renewed for another season...so here we with the setup.'

tbh i thought i might be able to get on board w/ season 3 if it was just some sick spy movie shit like carrie and brodie on the run from saul and quinn but this... nahh

wheres f murray abraham at anyway

If F comes back, I'll come back on board, no questions asked.

i don't know what 'closure' is expected, honestly. yeah it's not a series finale so they're planting seeds for future stories, what's the problem?

everything about that finale was f'in ridiculous but this bit was maybe #1 dumbest for me -- black ops hardman Quinn has miracle change of heart about killing Brody, threatens to murder head of CIA; head of CIA says "ok fine," calls off hit on Brody, lets Saul go free and promises to promote Carrie to a high position of responsibility

Yeah, I agree this was pretty silly: out of character for Quinn, if nothing else.

There's some mild spoilers about Season 3 here:
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/homeland-producers-alex-gansa-and-howard-gordon-on-brodys-future-sauls-loyalties-and-more-from-season-2

the whole Quinn character seemed a little contrived all season, so the feeling that he was introduced just to set up that stupid sequence of events was a bummer

the quinn/dar adall stuff was totally undeveloped and just kinda left hanging and it was a bummer

dara dall. no clue what that guys name was. but i love old school spy stuff like that

ya i thought that was one of the more interesting parts of the season too. would watch dara dal/saul spin-off.

there's an interview with the actor who plays quinn where he talks about playing a black ops character:

One of the things I do know first-hand from somebody who works in this arena is that an anti-patriot or a terrorist is hated, like personally hated by someone in the kind of role that Peter Quinn finds himself in. They hate people who try to damage or destruct the safety of their country, everything that the Constitution stands for. They’re really very fierce about it. So there is an extreme there, which, I think, is possibly exacerbated by Brody. Brody has a very smug way of getting out of it, kind of saying, “Well, hey, at least it didn’t go off,” and it’s like, that’s not really the point. And that’s sort of annoying, and is therefore enraging.

so he ends up changing his mind after assessing Brody and Carrie's situation. But this aspect of the Quinn character wasn't portrayed well on the show at all, not until the very last minute.

the whole Quinn character seemed a little contrived all season, so the feeling that he was introduced just to set up that stupid sequence of events was a bummer

a little contrived? he is a set of four unrelated functions

1) he is some black ops dude
2) he has an ass he shows to people
3) he dies but doesn't really
4) he has a heart i guess

at first i couldnt tell if the brody/carrie romantic banter in the finale was awkward and forced b/c the actors have no chemistry and the writers dont know how to write banter, or if it was awkward and forced on purpose to convey that they're two crazy people who have invented a big romance out of thin air, but then carrie was like "i want to be with you" and it became clear that the writers really think their relationship 'works'

i think the 'relationship' ultimately does work, in terms of the show working, because they are both so deeply loony. whether that's intentional or not.

I felt like they had some p good chemistry, maybe before they started talking abt the fufutre like mature adults, this is perhaps just... life

Gordon said that the hit-and-run storyline involving Brody's daughter Dana and Walden's son Finn was "one of those where there was a deeper plan for it that morphed halfway through the season," though neither he nor Gansa could recall specific details of the original plan

ugh all that juggling potatoes cabin boy stuff, i was like, if this is supposed to be so awkward its impossible to watch its working

spinoff series where carrie and brodie flee the U.S. and end up on wacky adventures! uh oh, this week they're up against somali pirates! wonder how will they get out of this scrape! those nutty kids... what will they get up to next?? haha

seriously, carrie & brodie fleeing thru europe to lebanon while saul battles quinn & dara dall to track them down first, would be a great season

the show is called HOMELAND not ABROAD. it's like how they could only go outside the bar on Cheers every so often.

like that time they went to Seattle for a decade?

that show was called "Frasier's Living Room"

I felt like they had some p good chemistry, maybe before they started talking abt the fufutre like mature adults, this is perhaps just... life

yup after the finale my wife was like "it was only interesting TV when it was some irresponsible fling, you don't want to see Carrie and Brody organizing their silverware drawer"

seriously, carrie & brodie fleeing thru europe to lebanon while saul battles quinn & dara dall to track them down first, would be a great season

― max, Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:13 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya this is what I thought was gonna happen also I predicted it upthread so I was disappoint

I thought to myself, I hope someone remembers to otm me, but I will do it myself if nessisary

them talking about the future and pretending it was like a normal relationship given the circumstances just cements how nuts they both are!

does anyone else really believe that it was abu nazir's plan to bomb the cia all along, i mean that's a stretch even for carrie's big-picture paranoia and yet somehow brodie convinces her, because they were going to sex in saul's office and they've always been so honest with each other and oh god i don't even

I didn't, it makes sense that Al Qaeda would think "hey everyone from the CIA is all in one place" and come up with something but not that Nazir would think "I will hide for three days, get myself killed, and ... "

yeah theres no need for nazir to die for the plan to work

but walton needed to die for the plan to work, it's all very contingent on stuff that ~barely~ happened this season

well nazir I'm sure had other contingencies lined up cause he is a mastermind he masterminds stuff

naz is a rebel to america

I can't tell if ppl's posts are assuming this or not but they definitely implied that Saul had something to do with the bomb, right? The way they cut to him on the boat at some particular moment. Also now he is boss.

Was season 2 of this show also based on the Israeli series, or was it only season 1? Such a drop off in quality.

wow this show fell off a cliff. i can't believe they think any viewer wants 30 solid minutes of brody/carrie kissy time in the cabin.

i didnt really read the explosion as linked 2 saul, but yea, as bad as the last few eps of s.2 were i guess anythings possible

they kind of played that saul is involved in s1 too. lazy writing 101.

I can't tell if ppl's posts are assuming this or not but they definitely implied that Saul had something to do with the bomb, right? The way they cut to him on the boat at some particular moment. Also now he is boss.

― kinder, Sunday, 23 December 2012 18:37 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think they're just callously playing w this tbh, like why not let the camera linger to let people wonder. i thought having flirted with estes must be a double agent for a long ass time they resolved it pretty gracefully but saul is gonna be saul forever i think, or it would be too much of a lazy reveal - like what could make sense of it. i don't know really what was meant to be inferred by him seeming ~contemplative~ watching the burial.

predicting a freefall into 24-style ridiculousness in season 3

I would kind of welcome that. I was a bit pissed off that Carrie didn't end up going on the lam, I'd quite enjoy a season of her and Brodie evading CIA spooks.

Though that would likely involve more scenes of them having unconvincing sex than I'd be entirely comfortable with.

The main problem with this show is that there is zero onscreen chemistry between Danes and the Brody dude, any scene where they're together is like watching two different breeds of fish staring at each other in a tank.

Last episode was super lame but I can't deny I was happy when something finally blew up and I realised what they were doing. But they've long been in danger of doing a Lost and over-relying on bullshit wau moments that go nowhere, like the hit and run storyline.

they had chem when they were fucking in the parking lot early on, all gone by this year imo.

Was season 2 of this show also based on the Israeli series, or was it only season 1? Such a drop off in quality.

First half or so of S1 AFAIU

any scene where they're together is like watching two different breeds of fish staring at each other in a tank.

lol, a+

Last episode was super lame but I can't deny I was happy when something finally blew up and I realised what they were doing

idk. in between reading that NYer article about chemical warfare & obscurely remembering the end of some season of 24 where they ended the dramatic arc but provided some rollover suspense by having the president work a ropeline & then look at his hand to see it was burning, that he'd been a victim of some surreptitious chemical attack -- i feel like given that homeland is sort of lauded for & focused on the issues & machinations of security & contemporary conflict & is meant to be about the weird personal spheres that govern those things, reducing it all to HUGE_EXPLOSION.MOV was pretty weak. like do something thoughtful. do something that it's actually interesting to think about, that reflects the less dramatic grim nuance of policy (which is why i liked estes' motivation!, that it sorta vaguely maps onto actual issues of targeted killing & juristiction & authority, albeit fantasically/weirdly). it was the end of the season & you assume they're going to have to manufacture some rollover conflict because that's how tv works & they did it in the laziest i guess terrorists should blow something up? way possible

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So I stopped watching a little ways into season 2 (and I only very warily proceded that far after the bet hedging of the season 1 finale). Is it worth continuing?

i think s2 had very strong points but also moments of 24-esque overreach, and then s3 seemed to be repeating all the mistakes that 24 used to make so i bailed after a couple episodes. i feel think most critics have panned s3 but the show's ratings have never been higher, so.

there's a "big reveal" in s3 that worked well i thought. but it was otherwise hit or miss

I thought it was alright. And it had to end the way it did.