showtime's Homeland =[a tolerable claire danes, mandy patinkin & that girl from firefly naked]

huh

cia go boom

It went big, but not in the way I was hoping

Maybe not the best timing for a mass-murder-on-US-soil ep

lol @ carrie just coming back like it's no thing that she disappeared for a day or two right after a bomb exploded in the cia. how is she gonna explain that? "i went for a quicky with alleged terrorist brody the bomb exploded but i believed him when he told me he didn't do it so i helped him get fake id, money and a route out of the country, but hey look, i'm back, i'm one of the good ones you know let's all forget what i just did". i liked saul telling her she was the smartest and dumbest person he knew, but that honour might just go to him if he just accepts her back into the fold.

there is a new york magazine recap of this ep that explores the possibility of carrie rehabilitating brodie's image, like as if at some point it might work out if somebody makes the distinction that although okay he previously had been a double agent & sure had made the suicide video & yeah synchronous with his ascendance had been plotting to kill & yeah i mean i guess had if you wanna slice it that way sorta killed the veep he totally didn't do it this time, & so could theoretically return gloriously to public life. that was him leaving the show while leaving open ~dramatic character return~ possibilities afaict.

carrie said she was gonna clear his name

and she's also probably the one person who has the least cred to clear his name. she knew he was a terrorist and has v strong feelings for him, she helped him flee the country and was conspicuously absent when the bomb exploded. you hardly get more biased on the topic of brody than carrie. also, i guess the showrunners are still going with the mole angle, cos brody's car was moved from its spot. such shoddy security though, letting in a car packed with explosives and then letting someone move that car right next to the hall.

ha yeah that was ridiculous, someone moved my car

brody was all "sweet, i'm gonna get some action with carrie in a cia office. also she just said she was ready to live with me but hey waitaminute, what's my car doing there?".
i don't know that saul would approve of his office being used for that purpose btw.

saul is dumping yr friend into the ocean we can totally swing an f in his office hey whats yr car doing there

in the opening credits, carrie says "i let it happen once, i won't let it happen again". she was actually talking about having sex in saul's office and she's the one who exploded brody's car to prevent her from making that same mistake again. that's why she let her herself be so easily convinced by brody, cos she knew who had actually planted that carbomb !

*_*

everything about that finale was f'in ridiculous but this bit was maybe #1 dumbest for me -- black ops hardman Quinn has miracle change of heart about killing Brody, threatens to murder head of CIA; head of CIA says "ok fine," calls off hit on Brody, lets Saul go free and promises to promote Carrie to a high position of responsibility

o_0 at this:
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/17/homeland_showrunner_addresses_season_2_criticism/

Especially this:
“Brody could have died in a number of ways. But we always come back to the fact that whenever those two characters are on screen with each other, the show elevates. And so the idea that we’re actually going to end his story for good is…one that we’re terrified of doing because it really means that we would really have to reinvent the show in a way that it would be a completely different show.”

GOOD, you idiot! This one's getting ridiculous.

agree that Carrie walking back in like it's no big deal is absurd. I thought the lightbulb was gonna go on over Saul's head as soon as he heard "Carrie and Brody both unaccounted for."

i felt like that did happen

i mean we have no idea what carries excuse or sauls reaction is gonna be

not defending the verisimilitude of this show btw

But we always come back to the fact that whenever those two characters are on screen with each other, the show elevates.

lol srs

all that shit w them in the cabin was so terrible, blowing up the cia def redeemed the ep tho, i appreciate that they continue to elevate

i felt like that did happen

maybe but when Saul was talkin to his wife later it sounded like he really thought Carrie was dead

I did like how they flipped Brody's martyr video to make it look like he was confessing to this new thing. that was kinda cool.

yeah brody got played

Haven't seen the finale. Hoping Boris and/or Natasha show up. Or (expanding into a recurring role in season 3) special agent A. Powers, on loan from MI6.

this was so so so dumb

Especially this:
“Brody could have died in a number of ways. But we always come back to the fact that whenever those two characters are on screen with each other, the show elevates. And so the idea that we’re actually going to end his story for good is…one that we’re terrified of doing because it really means that we would really have to reinvent the show in a way that it would be a completely different show.”

kill all yr darlings ffs

for all its faults, there is really absolutely no way this would ever be a more interesting (or even necessarily more plausible) show with Brody dead rather than alive, no idea why people think that option needs to be on the table.

because we hate him and want him to die

-- david estes

(rip)

this show is so f-ing dumb

yeah it's pretty hilarious

http://www.salespodder.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/saul-completes-carries-nazir-timeline-in-homelands-s01e11.jpg

no man u just dont get it

i'm still trying to pinpoint just when this show went off the deep end of absurdity. i mean it was always pretty ridiculous but jesus this season

i can't wait to see season 3 with carrie at the cia, everyone trying to track brody and she re-arranges everything on the colour-coded pinboard so that it forms a heart shape.

http://i.imgur.com/Z56Xh.jpg

haha did not know that pinboard already existed

The more I think about this finale and season the more annoyed I am at it

lol that ad pretty neatly distills everything dumb and clumsy about this show

because we hate him and want him to die

― lag∞n, Monday, December 17, 2012 10:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lolol

OTOH it has rekindled my interest in second-wave bebop. In recent months when confronted w/ some urgent or life-threatening problem I load up the car stereo with some Clifford Brown and everything comes into focus

I felt cheated by the finale. My own fault for wanting closure on a hit TV show, but the only reaction I had to the ending was, 'They got renewed for another season...so here we with the setup.'

tbh i thought i might be able to get on board w/ season 3 if it was just some sick spy movie shit like carrie and brodie on the run from saul and quinn but this... nahh

wheres f murray abraham at anyway

If F comes back, I'll come back on board, no questions asked.

i don't know what 'closure' is expected, honestly. yeah it's not a series finale so they're planting seeds for future stories, what's the problem?

everything about that finale was f'in ridiculous but this bit was maybe #1 dumbest for me -- black ops hardman Quinn has miracle change of heart about killing Brody, threatens to murder head of CIA; head of CIA says "ok fine," calls off hit on Brody, lets Saul go free and promises to promote Carrie to a high position of responsibility

Yeah, I agree this was pretty silly: out of character for Quinn, if nothing else.

There's some mild spoilers about Season 3 here:
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/homeland-producers-alex-gansa-and-howard-gordon-on-brodys-future-sauls-loyalties-and-more-from-season-2

the whole Quinn character seemed a little contrived all season, so the feeling that he was introduced just to set up that stupid sequence of events was a bummer

the quinn/dar adall stuff was totally undeveloped and just kinda left hanging and it was a bummer

dara dall. no clue what that guys name was. but i love old school spy stuff like that

ya i thought that was one of the more interesting parts of the season too. would watch dara dal/saul spin-off.

there's an interview with the actor who plays quinn where he talks about playing a black ops character:

One of the things I do know first-hand from somebody who works in this arena is that an anti-patriot or a terrorist is hated, like personally hated by someone in the kind of role that Peter Quinn finds himself in. They hate people who try to damage or destruct the safety of their country, everything that the Constitution stands for. They’re really very fierce about it. So there is an extreme there, which, I think, is possibly exacerbated by Brody. Brody has a very smug way of getting out of it, kind of saying, “Well, hey, at least it didn’t go off,” and it’s like, that’s not really the point. And that’s sort of annoying, and is therefore enraging.

so he ends up changing his mind after assessing Brody and Carrie's situation. But this aspect of the Quinn character wasn't portrayed well on the show at all, not until the very last minute.