Quentin Tarantino's Western movie "Django Unchained"

all the awesome touches in IB, and how it felt like he finally had coalesced all of his 'signature' bits and pieces into a pretty brilliant take on a war movie...I mean, IB on its own is good enough reason to be p excited about Django

lol, Drudge otm

Drudge would rather have Django back in chains!

-- Joe Biden

i am with goole wrt IB, but i think i have broadcasted that loud and clear on ilx many times.

the pub scene in IB is arguably imo the best scene in any tarantino film.

Of course i think his strongest run is both kill bills and deathproof, so i might have gone in with unfair expectations of continued rising awesomeness

maybe watch sumpin good like Mandingo

the conversation btw landa and the farmer, the conversation btw landa and shoshanna, and the scene w/ fassbender at the pub are IBs peaks imo. the movies politics & ethics aside those are pretty unbelievable scenes for generating tension and interest through 15 minutes of dialogue

This is all the movie is -- at least that's all I watch.

i remember when KB2 came out i was annoyed with the long conversations (and 'tino in general), but he really perfected the approach in IB imo

definitely

god I really want to watch IB now

Don't forget the Mike Myers scene!

after it was over I didn't much like strudel and "Cat People" tbh

whaaat

oh wait I see what you mean

I was googling to try to remember the lines from the strudel scene and there are a whole ton of IB-based strudel recipes now, haha

I like all the aimless (and not aimless) dialogue bits in Tarantino films, but iirc the dullest bits in "IB" were all the bits involving said Basterds. Everything else was ace, or at least greatly superior to Pitt et al. doofing about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKH7YRHq3iQ

yeah i <3 the IB's doofing about

ah ah ah! wait for cream.

IBs doofing around were fine, just distracting, which was ironic, given they are the title. It would be like calling, I dunno, Return of the Jedi The Inglorious Ewoks.

i believe "landa: the wacky adventures of a gentleman jew-hunter" was declined by the studio.

I can't remember if this was on the IB thread, but I love it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXDeKw40Fcc

xpost lol strongo

pitt was so hilarious

Pitt was super funny. Just distracted me, since I sometimes though it would have made its own silly adjunct of a movie. Like, at the end, when she's setting her Nazi plan in motion, and they all show up, I was all, ooh, I hope these Nazi hunters don't fuck up her plan to kill those Nazis!

Her revenge plot was much better fleshed out than his, save the extraneous tale of the Bear.

at least Pitt wore a mustache to telegraph how funny he was.

tarantino digging up waltz for that role was the best unearthing of an austrian actor since hitchcock brought leopoldine konstantin for 'notorious'

Need to make a photoshop of Drudge headline with Patti Smith Horses photo.

Basterds would be best viewed as the back half of an arthouse double feature with Schindler's List.

Also, seems like Sharen Davis should get some recognition for the costumes.

Interesting conversation earlier today. Though I generally love Quentin Tarantino's movies, I agree with Pat Finn that they seem to flaunt their own meaninglessness. They generate emotional effects and clearly intend to, but their relationship to anything outside the cinema is tangential at best. We believe in the flagrantly artificial "reality" being created for as long as we inhabit it, but nothing larger is really being said. Even if Inglourious Basterds indicts its audience (and I'd say that it very clearly does), it does so only because it's an intriguingly perverse gesture, one that adds further complexity to an already multilayered narrative.

I was disturbed by the accidental brain-splattering when I first saw Pulp Fiction. This was a product both of morality and expectation (though the distance between the two is negligible). I was shocked that a seemingly innocent "human being" would be thrown away so casually in service only of a joke, and I didn't know how I was supposed to feel about it. That's what really troubled me: not what had happened, but the lack of obvious moral framing. We're used to being guided through the experience of ostensibly "entertaining" cinema, an expectation that causes Tarantino's seemingly amoral deployment of shocking brutality to resonate uncomfortably.

Quentin Tarantino's movies strike me as sadistic, deeply cynical and all but meaningless, but those aren't necessarily bad qualities when it comes to the cinema. I suspect his cynicism and lack of concern for anything outside the world onscreen help him manipulate us so effectively and enjoyably. And many of my favorite filmmakers are sadists. Tarantino (like Peckinpah and Verhoeven before him) ups the ante on the sort of brutality we're willing to countenance in the name of entertainment, but I don't feel he's trangressing an uncrossable line. He's just working a little harder, smarter and nastier than most. I respect that.

The brain-splattering in 1994, and the ear-cutting in 1992, seemed to be a counter to the fake violence of 80s action movies. "Waving a gun around" was such an insignificant gesture in, say, Running Scared and Shakedown, that T seemed to be looking to make the same trope more realistic. I'm not a mega-defender of Tarantino, but a lot of what he seemed to be doing then (and still seems to be doing now) is working to be a better storyteller than most, and to make the most of a minute of an audience's attention.

otm, especially that last bit.

i think the ear-cutting is a deliberate mini-essay on the use of threatened, implied and graphic violence in cinema. we're supposed to see it as a series of demonstrations as much as a series of things that happened. works incredibly well either way.

ear-cutting is like my all-time film scene

marvin naaaaaaashh

^^

my fav reservoir dogs behind the scenes story is how Michael madsen drove around with the actor who played the cop in his trunk for twenty min or something "to get into character" against the other dude's wishes iirc.

maybe worth pointing out that qt actually initially shot the ear-cutting scene straight, didn't pan away, apparently had a pretty graphic close-up of madsen sawing away, etc.

i can't remember if he changed it because audiences/producers reacted poorly, or because he realized it worked better the other way. i'm guessing the latter, because if anything it's harder to watch as the scene we know, which i doubt would have pleased test audiences turned off by the sight of forced van gogh-ing.

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Wasn't well known to me, but thanks for info, now unfollowed.

On the other hand, if not for my inadvertently following this guy, how else could I have learned about the ass-pummelling I've clearly been setting myself up for?

i'm about as big a fan of Pulp/Dogs /Romance as you can get but got to agree with all the Inglorious Basterds yea sayers; IB all by itself woulda made me excited for Django.

xxpost; re the ear-scene yeah it was a very much more intense straight chop off at first; its on the DVD on the 'extras' with a big warning that flashes up beforehand. i think people woulda fainted. interestingly in the (rubbish) book about the indie movie scene of the 90s, Peter Biskind describes an argument between QT and Harvey Weinstein in the foyer after an early Dogs screening whereby HW was pretty insistent that the ear scene had to go; even in its current form with the cut away, and QT wasn't having it.

I find nothing terribly special about the way Tarantino's films look.

Not seen IB - certainly wouldn't defend them on that score though.

Thing about the ear-cutting is not so much about how violent or not it actually is, more that its tied to not much of a narrative or people you might care about. Hate doing this but contrast that to the offscreen torture in Rome, Open City.

Or Oedipus Rex!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEBJVqG4rps

TS: Quentin Tarantino vs. Sophocles

Man, this was...a bit of a disappointment, I gotta say. Funny, fast, effective first hour, steady downhill progression after that for me.

Easily his most problematic movie in terms of pacing. I guess Menke helped reign him in after all.

apparently QT is saying this is his last movie...?