New James Bond = Daniel Craig.

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Different set of bad guys. (Le Chiffre's versus Mr. White's)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

the point about the title sequence.. for the first time (as far as i know) it wasn't "tales of the unexpected" style ladies, but all blokes..

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

I heep forgetting that Daniel Craig played Francis Bacon's rough-trade muse/lover in Love Is the Devil -- good film.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to see this in an hour, will need to nip out to woolies shortly for some pick and mix.

leigh (leigh), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

for the first time (as far as i know) it wasn't "tales of the unexpected" style ladies, but all blokes

I was thinking that as well! The sole remarkable point about it, I think.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Have we talked about the cameos? There was Richard Branson going through airport security, and far more pleasant, Alessandra Ambrosio (probably the most beautiful woman in the world) in tennis apparel, checking out 007 even though he drives a Ford Mondeo (which actually looked cool, if a bit out of place). Any others I'm forgetting?

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

Oops -- on my answering machine just now, my mom, saying about how she and dad saw the film and loved it. (No surprise there.) But then she says:

"Tell me about this Chris Cornell guy. I've never heard of him!"

This will be an interesting conversation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

(Stolen from my own post on another board)

I had yet to find anything to complain about - at length anyway - after watching CR. I felt the Astons could've been utilised more and I did wonder how well Clive Owen would've done. Despite having never read any of the books, I can see Daniel as a very good approximation of Bond as Fleming intended him, much like Tim Dalton was. While DC doesn't have TD's looks, he has more of an edge and doesn't have the slight look of discomfort I sometimes got from watching TD in his two flicks.

However, Sean is still king. Granted, Daniel's playing a fairly different Bond altogether, not to mention for a different time, and it's really up to the next 2 films for DC to portray the Bond we actually know effectively, but he wasn't truly playing the same 007 as the others were and until he does, I wouldn't quite judge him on their criteria.

Havin' said that, I definitely enjoyed it and the strip-down/delayed introduction of Bond's characteristics really gave a lot of effect to conveying his job - a glorified hitman and point-and-click problem solver for MI6 - what makes him special is his gift of being ultra-adaptable to missions and in situations, which I personally think is as much a defining trait of his as the catchphrases. The real trick is not just overcoming Connery, but also From Russia With Love, which is still the pinnacle of 007-ness.

Also: EVA GREEN (never more beautiful than when applying her make-up in the bathroom - the minimal approach clearly works for her too!)

Badrock Example (Barima), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Ally: "Pierce Brosnan's Bond wasn't a Bond in my opinion."

Dead right. I was never convinced by Brosnan, and his films were just washed-out, synthetic pastiches of the real thing.

My thoughts on Casino Royale:

Craig was excellent.... another film and he'll be the best Bond ever.

Bollock-torture scene was discreetly done and still incredibly daring.

Eva Green was very good but she wasn't quite "Diana Rigg enough" for me to buy into the Bond/Vesper love story.

Overall, I think the casual Bond film viewer won't like the lack of a true central villain, they could've cut about fifteen minutes from the running time but several scenes were just breathtaking.

Not quite the best but better than any Moore, Dalton or Brosnan film. Definite top five material. OHMSS still my all-time favourite Bond film.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

The real trick is not just overcoming Connery, but also From Russia With Love, which is still the pinnacle of 007-ness.

Yup. But if they're smart they can find a way to get there.

Turns out my mom knew who Soundgarden and Audioslave were, which honestly surprised me. Therefore explaining Chris Cornell was easy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

I think to say that Pierce Brosnan wasn't Bond is kind of odd. In many ways, he was born to play Bond and I think he would have done just fine in a better film (I still LOVE 'Goldeneye' too).

The only problem with the Aston Martin was the interior. The diamond shaped suede stitching and suede dash are a little too precious for Bond.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Born to play a Roger Moore-style Bond, yes. He *might* have been able to pull off a For Your Eyes Only equivalent, but it wouldn't have been Casino Royale as filmed.

Craig in a much tougher Goldeneye vs. Sean Bean, hmm...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

I find this Brosnan revisionism to be distasteful. He was a great Bond (and not as consciously as campy as Moore) even if the films were ridiculous.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know why everything has to be SO much tougher these days.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

haha i almost forgot to mention how amazing the shower scene was! this girl is truly shaken by what she has just seen and overcome with fear about - well EVERYTHING: almost dying, the reality of what her boyfriend is going through, her growing interest in bond and knowing the betrayal that lies (lays?) ahead; she is shattered.

and bond sits down with her, gives her a big shoulder to lean on. so touching. and then - starts sucking on her fingers??! he is totally emotionally INEPT. "chicks always dig it when i suck on their fingers... so uh that oughtta do the trick amirite?"

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Good stuff. The problem with the "Bond franchise" is that it's not really a Bond franchise at all, it's a "Sean Connery franchise". With Craig, though, the Connery comparisons become meaningless, because he's effectively playing a different character -- much more in the Hammett hard-boiled tradition than the rakish Bulldog Drummond/Hannay "super-spy" type.

I love Pierce, but he was rub as Bond. The main frustration is that he could've done better. He's much more assured (and Bond-ian) in Thomas Crown and the Tailor of Panama. But he's a bit of a milquetoast in the Bond movies.

Also, I'm really glad Clive Owen didn't get it. Horrible actor!

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

clive owen is okay but like pierce brosnan he's too obvious a pick in some ways, plus i think a lot of people wanted him for the role because he wore a tux in 'croupier'. the great thing about sean connery is he doesn't fit the smarmy-slick bond mold as personified by moore and brosnan, which is why craig is an awesome pick.

i can't believe people were talking about hugh jackman as bond at one point.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

Gear: there was weirder.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Chow Yun-Fat was the most interesting contender, but apparently he's too smooth and not ugly enough to play James Bond!

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

The finger sucking was about how she had blood on her hands and couldn't get it off, right?

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I thought it was tender. Water wouldn't get the blood off, but saliva would.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

Also, licking wounds etc etc.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

There were serious rumours about Robbie Williams at one point too, were there not? Ornaldo Bloomps would have been fantastic in comparison (actually, no, they'd both have been horrendous).

I *liked* Pierce Brosnan. I've never read the books, but he looked good and camped it up in some of the campest Bond films, so yeah, horses for courses, he was the best actor for those films. Imagine someone playing them for serious, ugh.

However, Daniel Craig was marvellous. As was the film. And you lot whinging about Chris Cornell just because he's Chris Cornell, get over yourselves. As a "Bond theme" (and let's face it, there *is* a genre of that), it pissed all over, say, Die Another Day. You listened to that Cornell song alongside the credits which were great and stylish and retro enough for a revisitation of the start of Bond's career but without the wavey women, and the whole thing just screamed "HELLO!! THIS IS A BOND MOVIE"!!! Is that not all one wants from a Bond theme?

(note, I never need to hear it again in my life out of context, but it worked perfectly fine where it was for what it was)

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

xp - that scene was markedly better than Eva Green's other cinematic 'blood on the hands' moment.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

uh guys she didn't have blood on her hands, she was going sorta loco right then.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

it pissed all over, say, Die Another Day

I couldn't disagree more.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

The Cornell was horrendous...truly awful.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

I liked it *in context*. That doesn't mean I like it.

Die Another Day I liked out of context. In context, urgh.

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

meanwhile, let's hear an amusing review from the guys who didn't like Judi Dench upthread, with their amusing mix of disdain for both the "vapid 90’s feminist-Amazon warrior"(i.e. Michelle Yeoh) AND the low culture of the masses and their teen-aged, misogynistic, multiplex-going ways.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

Just watched this, thought it was fabulous. Craig is a truly great Bond, he's rekindled my love for the franchise.

There was Richard Branson going through airport security,

er, wasn't it a cardboard cut out? something to do with virgin airlines

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

I really thought it was him! They don't usually have humorous cardboard cutouts in the metal detectors, do they?

uh guys she didn't have blood on her hands, she was going sorta loco right then.

I distinctly remember her saying the blood wouldn't all come off even though she had been in the shower all that time, but perhaps your post is also metaphoric!

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

At least I'm 1000% sure it was Alessandra Ambrosio.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

no you're right it was him, i just checked. maybe my error is a reflection on his acting ability, lol

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

uh guys she didn't have blood on her hands, she was going sorta loco right then.
Right, but that doesn't alter what I said. She had 'blood on her hands,' he 'cleaned it off.' It wasn't Bond being 'emotionally inept' - he was making a funny, dude.

milo z (mlp), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

just saw this, quite possibly the best ever bond film. definitely the best in a long, long time. and the credits were cool! the song sucked, sure, but no biggie. but yeah "casino royale" is what the franchise has needed for a long, long time (and i think it's better than the bourne films, matt damon just isn't all that convincing to me) (tho the trailer for the "the good shepherd" looked pretty cool, maybe i'll see that).

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 23 November 2006 08:12 (nineteen years ago)

OK milo, the next time you're having a nervous breakdown i will remember to solemnly suck your fingers!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

I remeber reading about a leaked memo describing Jackman as "too fey" for Bond (and some other dismissals of well-known actuhs.

Read yet another "Could Bond be black?" piece in the Grauniad the other day, the issue being the difficulty in reconciling Bond being black and British in a way that suggested the writer may have never met the likes of me ;-).

I remember when Pierce stopped compensating for the shortcomings of his movies, which was right around The World Is Not Enough. Did anyone besides me enjoy The Matador, btw?

Badrock Example (Barima), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

B4rim4 for Bond!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

Actually that's a pretty good idea. Also, Ailsa is absolutely OTM about 20 posts ago.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

Dudes, I wasn't fishing for support, but thanks for real (quite like the idea of playing Doctor Who actually). There was a lot of talk about grooming Colin Salmon for the role (he has a kind of black approximation of Connery's physicality) after he'd been knocking around as Robinson in the background of the last 3 Brosnan flicks. Nothing to stop 'em using him as 008 or something.

I wasn't a fan of the Cornell, but on reflection, think it could've been aces if a woman (Bjork!) sung it.

Badrock Example (Barima), Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

"YooooOOOOOuuuu KNOW my NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME..."

Hm, I can hear that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

also of note: the rocky trailer got lots of roffles.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 23 November 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

how could it not?

Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 23 November 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

good question. but i don't think that was what the filmmakers were hoping for.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 23 November 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god, I had successfully forgotten about that until now. Thanks!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 November 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

Stallone looked like a pickled pig's foot.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 23 November 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

Chiwetel Ejiofor as Bond!

gear (gear), Thursday, 23 November 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

Chiwetel Ejiofor as Bond!

gear (gear), Thursday, 23 November 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I was gunna say, Colin Salmon is pretty much the first guy comes to mind as a black Bond...

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 23 November 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I was gunna say, Colin Salmon is pretty much the first guy comes to mind as a black Bond...

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 23 November 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)


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