Israel to World: "Suck It."

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Beinart says Obama dngaf anymore:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/10/why-obama-will-ignore-israel.html

Mordy, Monday, 10 December 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link

Contrary to reports in the Israeli press, Team Obama didn’t mastermind the angry European response.

huh

before and after broscience (goole), Monday, 10 December 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link

idk, i didn't see any such reports

Mordy, Monday, 10 December 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link

i wonder what he means by "israeli press". i'd assume israel has its own breitbart/nypost/dailymail zone but idk hebrew so i wouldn't be able to get into it.

before and after broscience (goole), Monday, 10 December 2012 16:50 (eleven years ago) link

Time to sell Israel a buncha bombs

http://mobile.defensenews.com/article/312100010

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 03:44 (eleven years ago) link

Iran’s air force commander said Tuesday that the distance between Iran and Israel is the maximum range that Tehran requires its missiles fly. Brig. Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh made the statement in response to a US intelligence report revealed last week that claimed Tehran is no longer on track to achieve an intercontinental missile by 2015.

“We don’t need missiles with more than a 2,000-kilometer range, even though have the technology to build them,” Hajizadeh told reporters. “Israel is our longest-range target.”

Mordy, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link

NYT:

Correction: December 7, 2012

An earlier version of this article referred imprecisely to the effect of planned Israeli development in the area known as E1 on access to the cities of Ramallah and Bethlehem from Jerusalem, and on the West Bank. Such development would limit access to Ramallah and Bethlehem to only narrow corridors far from the Old City and downtown Jerusalem. It would also create a large block of Israeli settlements in the center of the West Bank; it would not divide the West Bank in two.

Because of an editing error, the article referred incompletely to the possibility of a contiguous Palestinian state. Critics see E1 as a threat to the meaningful contiguity of such a state state because it would leave some Palestinian areas connected to one another by roads with few exits or by circuitous routes; the proposed development would not, technically, make a contiguous Palestinian state impossible.

Mordy, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link

To be fair, there's only one country that's been talking incessantly about bombing Iran to deter.

Chinchilla! Chinchilla! Chinchilla! (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link

lieberman to resign!

Mordy, Friday, 14 December 2012 14:28 (eleven years ago) link

this guy is running for knesset:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAwSMPhLAKo&feature=youtu.be

Mordy, Monday, 17 December 2012 02:35 (eleven years ago) link

haaretz front page:

Palestinian poll: Hamas' Haniyeh would win PA presidency over Abbas

Mordy, Monday, 17 December 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link

The Head of the Gaza Border Agency, Maher Abu-Sabha, has refused entry to the EU Mission charged with monitoring the border with Egypt at Rafah. The Mission was planning to return to Gaza after an absence of six years.

Speaking to a Palestinian newspaper, Abu-Sabha insisted that the Rafah Crossing is Palestinian and is under absolute Palestinian sovereignty. "There is no need for an EU mission in Rafah," he said.

Mordy, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link

if you go to the original and then read the comments you will probably just want to give up on the world

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 17:59 (eleven years ago) link

middle east media can be pretty psychotic

Mordy, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:03 (eleven years ago) link

i am the viper, i've come to vipe your vindows

before and after broscience (goole), Friday, 21 December 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link

(...) aims to repatriate tens of thousands of African illegal migrants (...)

http://i.imgur.com/dsTSB.gif

moullet, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link

i am the viper, i've come to vipe your vindows

― before and after broscience (goole), Friday, December 21, 2012 5:54 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

knowing is half the battle

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link

:|

Sri Harold Klemp (crüt), Saturday, 29 December 2012 08:13 (eleven years ago) link

rolling middle east 2013 thread

Mordy, Tuesday, 1 January 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

thank God they were not permanently sterilized. what was the rationale, irrational though it may have been?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 January 2013 01:52 (eleven years ago) link

Well I'm not giving them my money so I can read the article, but just off the top of my head: how about RACISM?

lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:04 (eleven years ago) link

oh it was free for me when I linked it, strange

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 28 January 2013 02:06 (eleven years ago) link

It's okay, it's in plenty of places online. I'd already seen the headline.

lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Monday, 28 January 2013 02:07 (eleven years ago) link

Dan Sieradski writes in comments section in the Forward:

You're all missing the most important part of the story: It's not merely that these women were not given informed consent, it's that Israeli authorities allegedly made their effective sterilization a necessary prerequisite of their emigration.

These women claim they were told by Jewish Agency and Joint Distribution Committee staffers that if they did not take the DP shots, they would not be permitted to emigrate to Israel or that their lives there, once they'd arrived, would be unbearably difficult if they had children.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/why-is-the-birth-rate-in-israel-s-ethiopian-community-declining.premium-1.483494

After I posted the above link to Twitter, calling it "the JDC's eugenics program," I got a call from a JDC spokesman saying that they dispute the women's claims about being intimidated by JDC staffers, but added that if a eugenics program did exist, it was the Israeli government and not the JDC that was responsible for it.

I also sent an email to Dr. Rick Hodes, the JDC official who administered the DP shots in Ethiopia, asking what his reasoning was. His response was that he was making contraception available only at the women's request and that there was no coercion involved whatsoever.
http://d.1ski.me/image/19222v1a1U3L

A representative for the Ethiopian women in Israel making the allegations against the JDC and Jewish Agency said that he is lying, but could provide no evidence apart from the women's testimonies.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:06 (eleven years ago) link

It seems pretty obvious that Gamzu issued the letter because there was a claim that it was forced on women, not because he was "admitting" that Israel gave forcible birth control. Obviously if they had instructed Israeli doctors to force (???) the 4-month lasting depo-provera on Ethiopian women for racist reasons that is hideous and gross. I'll wait until a newspaper a little better than the Haaretz breaks the story, though. (Remember when they reported on the front page that England recalled their ambassador last month? Headline quickly changed two days later. They're terrible at breaking news.)

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:20 (eleven years ago) link

well all they'd have to do is show that they'd been giving Depo-Provera shots to all immigrants no matter of race. But why the fuck would they do that?

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:24 (eleven years ago) link

"Nobody from inside JDC or the Israeli Ministry of Health, (or anyone else) has ever suggested that we coerce women to use family planning. Women may start, change methods, or stop, at any time. When we offered this as a service, women took advantage of it."

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:25 (eleven years ago) link

Al-J and Haaretz are pretty much only two media outlets I read re Middle East. Not because I think either are 'fair' towards Israel (neither are) but bc they seem to be the only two actually producing worthwhile first hand journalism.

― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 November 2012

zvookster, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:27 (eleven years ago) link

What can I say? They've since started publishing really shitty journalism.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:28 (eleven years ago) link

Terrible unsourced stories that don't get covered elsewhere and that they later withdraw. Even this story fails to interview anyone in Israeli government, leads with a headline that isn't backed by the story, etc.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:28 (eleven years ago) link

You have to read all journalism critically, but these days Haaretz gets a lot more scrutiny from me than the NYT (or even Al-J non-opinion news).

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:29 (eleven years ago) link

And I'm sure Israel covers Depo-Provera for all citizens, not just all immigrants, because they have universal healthcare.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:30 (eleven years ago) link

Here's some coverage of Gabai's story from when it first broke:
http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/167445/shocking-decline-in-ethiopian-israeli-birthrate/

I'm personally skeptical. I don't doubt that some women may have been given it w/out knowing what it was, and wouldn't even be surprised if I found out that individual racist doctors did this, but as a huge conspiracy between independent Jewish refugee groups, immigration groups and the Israeli government? That would be an insane conspiracy for what? A temporary birth-control method?

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:36 (eleven years ago) link

Alternatively you could explain the population drop by them moving from a third world country with very poor family planning and high poverty to a first world country with universal healthcare. Like the rest of the western world: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_population_may_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:38 (eleven years ago) link

But no, I'm sure that in the midst of the Palestinian demographic boom Israel is definitely conspiring to cut down on the number of African Jews. Man, they're not just Nazis but the worst Nazis ever.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:41 (eleven years ago) link

I just can't see any good reason they would be giving this shot to immigrants at all, let alone without consent/informing them what they were taking. Offer it, sure, but make them take it? That makes no sense and is counter-intuitive for a country that invited these thousands of immigrants in the first place, which is why this doesn't quite pass the smell test. But if there's any truth to this that's fucked up.

For the record, Depo itself is pretty harmless (aside from preventing babies, of course). My wife took it for several months, but it promoted unwanted weight gain, iirc.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 January 2013 06:25 (eleven years ago) link

"no evidence apart from the women's testimonies"

max, Monday, 28 January 2013 12:52 (eleven years ago) link


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