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Not all unions are corrupt, Kevin! It's just the crooks that get all the press. And I'd be applying to the city's labor and employment division, the city being the employer, which is why they might be less than ecstatic about my resume.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

I mean you can't reify your jouissance by engaging in postcapitalist stategies of outsider narrative deconstruction forever!

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Stop that right now.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

I have no problems working for the city, generally - just working for them in an employment context.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost Oh wow, good one

― dan m, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Having just watched the Wire season 2, I believe that all unions are corrupt. However, they are still good dudes and can drink like motherfuckers.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

God help me when I start having a beer and a shot for breakfast.

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha, Jordan.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

xp to me - That makes no GD sense. I mean, I would work for all this city, but not in the L&E division, as that would put me on the employer side of the worker justice divide. If they wanted to hire me elsewhere and I didn't have anything else going for me, I'd consider it, depending on what I'd be doing, the pay, etc.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

but see in the Wire, the union wasn't morally corrupt. Sobotka was involved in crime for the income, which he used to buy politicians whose votes he needed to do things like keep factories open and dredge channels. It was all in the interest of keeping his guys working and fed.

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

God help me when I start having a beer and a shot for breakfast.

Yeah, a beer with a fucking RAW EGG in it!

True, his intentions were good, but it still got him [spoilers deleted] and his kid and nephew [spoilers deleted] and the union [spoilers deleted].

― Jordan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

ooh madlibs!

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

"but it still got him [lubed] and his kid and nephew [erect] and the union [hott]."

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Not all unions are corrupt, Kevin!

i never said they were. not all politicians are either. but my brief stay in the teamsters union and the conversations i had with older dudes when i was walking a picket line made me realize that EVERYONE was getting rich on our backs, or rather, everyone but us.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00005OKQE.01._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― Eazy, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Sobotka was involved in crime for the income, which he used to buy politicians whose votes he needed to do things like keep factories open and dredge channels.

OK, this sentence makes me glad I never started watching this show.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

dying cities don't interest you, jaymc? I find them fascinating.

:)

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc likes his big money playaz to come from SoCal.

― dan m, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Dying cities? Sure, that sounds interesting. Convoluted under-the-table schemes don't. Or at least, they make my head hurt. Cf. Mafia movies, the collected works of Guy Ritchie, etc.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

My disdain for these genres is really a disguise for the fact that I'm dumb and can't follow plots involving men, money, and power worth shit.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

that's how cities die, man. one convoluted scheme at a time.

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

can't follow plots involving men, money, and power worth shit

I would wager that this is not true, and you had a proper go at it.

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

you HAVEN'T had etc

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know about that, part of the fascination of the show is the mechanics of the drug trade, the police department, the legal system, putting a case together, etc. Of course the character stuff is great too.

John, maybe you would have an easier time with it because it's not a 2 hour movie trying to cram in a bunch of convoluted schemes to impress you, it unfolds a piece at a time.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps. I should also say, though, that another reason I'm disdainful of certain TV shows is so that I don't feel guilty about not seeing everything that's critically hailed, because honestly, who has the time?

I was talking to my uncle at Easter at dinner, and he was going on about what a great show Entourage is. I said I watched the first episode and returned the DVD right away. He said, "Nah, you gotta watch more than that, it gets better." I said, "It just seemed a little too ... testosterone-y." He conceded, "Well, yeah, it's definitely a guy show." And I was like, "Well, there you go." It was awesome: he totally gave me a reason for never having to watch it again.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

After watching two-thirds of season 3 of Entourage on Sunday, I realized how different a show it would be as an NBC sitcom (i.e., clearly fake sounstage sets for Ari's office, the guys' house, etc.).

― Eazy, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Do "guy shows" make your pussy hurt?

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

I don't much dig on Entourage either, fwiw, never got into it, don't much care, etc. And of course you're otm about not having the time to care about everything.

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

I've heard people say that Curb Your Enthusiasm is a guy show. The difference, though, is that it's a guy that I relate to. Most "guy shows" or "guy movies" are about jackasses I don't care about.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

That describes Entourage for me to a t. It's a cast made up entirely of jackasses.

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

i hated entourage (the little i saw of it).

another critically-acclaimed testosteroney show that i don't get: rescue me.

― JuliaA, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

But there's a difference in jackasses, too -- Larry David is jackass who is smart, quick, funny, neurotic, and put-upon. There's something to him. Tony Soprano is beyond jackass -- he's a lying, cheating, murdering, racist, sexist, horrible blight on humanity that the world would be better off without, but he's human, and therein lies your show.

The guys on Entourage should be so lucky. They're more like what you think of if someone says that someone has an "LA mentality." Which the show satirizes, I guess, but not half as much as it embraces it. It's at the intellectual level of Sex and the City, only make it about stupid guys instead of stupid women, and move it to LA. I really dislike that show.

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Man, you guys are really starting to make me feel guilty for liking Entourage. Yeah, its definitely a guy show... but my fiancee loves it and she's usually very much against testosterone-laden "guy shows". I like it because Turtle, Drama, and Ari are some of my favorite sitcom characters on television right now and the potshots at/cameos from the Hollywood elite are usually pretty entertaining. I dunno, there are worse ways to waste half an hour.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

True dat. You could be watching 2 1/2 Men.

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

ANDY BARKER WAS CANCELLED.

not surprising, but i really liked that half hour of tv, dammit.

― JuliaA, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

- Kevin Dillon is thoroughly funny.
- Piven can be funny.
- The show works to get its details correct, in terms of show business and L.A. geography.

I like the show a lot but wouldn't try to convert anyone to it. It's certainly some of the fantasy-world of living in Santa Monica that makes Curb work for me, too.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

I'm leaving the office in a few minutes, so pls convince John to try the Wire by the end of the day, thx y'all.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

(nb I'm not leaving to go drink beerz or anything, just some other work away from my desk)

― Jordan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

the wire is an excellent, excellent show. What else can I say?

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

I guess the cancellation of Andy Barker is not surprising given Richter's track record (I never actually saw the show), but c'mon, someone give the guy a break already.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

Tell me what the Wire is about, besides cops and plots about cops.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

lesbian cops and gay gangsters

― Jordan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

the hook is, it's as much about who the cops are chasing as it is about the cops

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

lesbian cops and gay gangsters

OK, if you're serious, I'm all over this.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

The first season will give you one hell of an education on underground drug-based economics. That alone was worth it for me. Oh, and when McNulty is a hilarious, drunken fuck-up.

― mattttt, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

I am serious! Kima and Omar might be my favorite characters.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

he totally gave me a reason for never having to watch it again.

And me for nevern having to watch it in the first place! Because, yes, "guy shows" make my pussy hurt.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Do "guy shows" make your pussy hurt?

Haha, Kenan as every fratboy jock fuck ever.

― dan m, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

The Wire is good.

The episodes of Andy Barker I saw were pretty mediocre. Deserving of cancellation. Sorry bros.

― n/a, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

2x, even though I laughed really, really hard at one joke the one time I actually watched it.

― dan m, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

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