there are people who think this is the best bond in decades, which, i dunno, i just dont get that.
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 25 November 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like they had the problem of how to make Bardem as scary to the aud as he had been promised to be by the conversation about the woman's fear, but without knowing anything about makin no movies, I think casually murdering the pretty sex doll was a fucking lazy and gross way to do it.
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Sunday, 25 November 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
yes laurel otm
― max, Sunday, 25 November 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
I thought that was Orbit
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
could have used a scene of him being creepy as shit to women without inherently devaluing them, setting him up as an equal-opportunity creep imo
― mh, Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
We talked about this a bit upthread, but I read the "gay fear" scene as having been reversed by Bond turning it into another opportunity to brag about his vast sexual history. orbit I take it you disagree?
― hot slag (lukas), Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
Seriously, people are calling this the best Bond in years??? No fucking way, this was one of the worst evet
― Raymond Cummings, Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
I honestly think those reviews were written before they saw the film simply because of Mendes, Deakins, and Bardem
― Number None, Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
Aside from CR, last time Bond was awesome was probably the 80s
― Raymond Cummings, Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
honestly i think bardem's bad guy was really, really un-scary. he just seemed like a goofy dude with a dumb plan
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/kbd1v.jpg
― 乒乓, Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
Goldfinger holds up!
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
er, Goldeneye
yeah pretty much. plus they couldnt decide what kind of villain he was - joker clone, genius cybercriminal, burnt out ex-agent? it shifts from scene to scene.
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
Goldeneye's a sack of shit. i just watched it on thanksgiving and found that it was way worse than I remembered, like a bad Moore flick. brosnan is totally vacant and dull. famke janssen and the tank chase are the best things it has going for it
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
can confirm that goldeneye is worse than any given person probably remembers, but it does have those two things + robbie coltrane
bardem was totally wasted in this movie; i can't remember a single line. i remember his hair.
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
wasted as in unused i mean. would have been better if he'd been wasted.
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
everybody probably just has really fond memories of the video game
― 乒乓, Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
this was a problem with the movie generally -- no idea what kind of bond it was, changing every 20-30 minutes
― max, Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
Honestly the only thing I really liked about this was the cinematography and the Komodo dragons
― fiscal cliff huxtable (latebloomer), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
Still the dopest reptile
yeah, if yr gonna make a bourne movie, then do so -- you don't also get to use the quips and the sleeping with everyone and whatever
goldeneye's opening had bond jumping after a falling plane, catching it, and pulling out of a dive, which is the kind of 007 suspension of disbelief i can get behind
btw was everyone calling m 'mum' in previous installments? i don't remember that, and either way it is some pretty heavyhanded shit
― mookieproof, Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
i couldnt decide if they were calling her mom or if thats how british people pronounced "ma'am"
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
my only previous experience with it was blackadder calling queen elizabeth mum
― mookieproof, Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
oh right. i love this. the kind of ultrajoyful stunt where the joy isn't in the stunt itself it's in the "yeah we thought of this and decided to make it look like it could happen" part.
i also like "james is it really necessary to drive quite so fast" / "more often than you might think."
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
i prefer the bungee jump off the dam tbh
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
I think we can agree that the mean for a Bondfilm is average; a depressing percentage of'em are garbage.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
i think we can indeed agree that the mean is average
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
there are the known unknowns
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
whyyougottabesoaverage
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't watched this yet because 2 hours 23 minutes + Bardem in blond hair + not wanting to break my streak of not watching a Bond film in the theatre since License to Kill.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
The "mum" thing is British, it's weird but I've heard it in lots of things and it always throws me.
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
i watched license to kill on thanksgiving too, and that one turned out to be way better than I remembered. I guess I never gave Dalton his due
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
I need to rewatch it. I quite liked revisiting The Living Daylights except that Bond was written without a second humor and Dalton looked decidedly uncomfortable drinking a martini.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
he orders a budweiser with lime in License! he doesn't drink it though.
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
*sense of humor
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
bond films continue to be educational, they teach you that rich people are beautiful, have beautiful things, spend time in beautiful places, and are all repulsive sociopaths. for example, open-air markets are an excellent backdrop for a romantic afternoon, but equally fun to drive your sports car through at high speeds while spraying bullets in every direction.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
dalton's angry Bond in license is sort of the precursor to Craig's this time its personal take, but License is really funny in its own way. Robert Davi gets one of my favorite one-liners ever
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
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i have never been able to figure this out tbh
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
i still find the whole timothy dalton thing weird and somewhat hard for my brain to accept
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
I do recall a couple of "mum"s previously, but only in the Daniel Craig era.
― WilliamC, Sunday, 25 November 2012 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like this bond was so good in concept -- bardem is an ex 00 agent! he doesn't have a crazy scheme for world domination he just wants to fuck with M a bunch and then kill her! -- that they didn't bother to execute making a good movie!
― goole, Sunday, 25 November 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
License to Kill RULED
― Raymond Cummings, Sunday, 25 November 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
Benecio del MANIAC
― Raymond Cummings, Sunday, 25 November 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
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yeah totally, re: dalton as pre-craig. Ahead Of His Time
― max, Sunday, 25 November 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
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this was the worst kind of bad movie where you spend the whole flick sitting there wondering why no one ever consults you because you wouldve made this movie SO MUCH BETTER
― max, Sunday, 25 November 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
always avoided those dalton bonds growing up, have heard enough about them in recent years to make me curious (esp license to kill - 'bond + cannon films'?), thanksgiving i almost had my chance but there was only ten minutes left in it by the time i noticed it was on; ended up watching roadhouse again. skyfall was enjoyable, opening was great and enjoyed bond chasing bardem thru the shootout at the hearing, enjoyed most of the setup for 'proper bond' though everyone's right that the moneypenny setup that seems to have been devised to vaguely modernize and empower her (this ain't yr grandparent's moneypenny!) only did the opposite, esp paired w/ 'm is a man again, the natural order of the universe is restored'. considering how much bourne hangs over the craig bond i wish they'd gone just a step further (or focused a bit more or thought thru the story at all) and made bardem effectively bourne minus amnesia w/ more regret and anger fueled vengeance, but bond still the hero, basically a reactionary response to the bourne movies - 'the state makes us ruthless killing machines who follow orders or ppl die, you need me on that wall, etc'. i still enjoyed it - i enjoyed quantum of solace or whatever - but this was somehow more frustrating, for reasons max states above. hoping the next one is the lighter, breezier, this time it's not remotely personal trad-bond installment it hints we're at.
― balls, Monday, 26 November 2012 00:28 (eleven years ago) link
made bardem effectively bourne minus amnesia w/ more regret and anger fueled vengeance
this would have been brilliant!
bourne v bond, c'mon someone, make this happen
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 26 November 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
seriously have the same opening (maybe change macguffin, maybe not), then spend twenty minutes focusing solely on bardem - him prepping plot, motivation speech to some other mi6 agent he offs, establish that in the movie where he's the star he's the good guy, maybe there's some mission where he ended up killing a child and m knew it would happen but fuckit england, and then when he lands his first blow (maybe he blows up mi6, hacks their computers) enter bond, our 'hero'. 'yknow under different circumstances we might have been friends' etc.
― balls, Monday, 26 November 2012 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
Goldeneye also had a terrific title credits sequence. Can't remember a thing about Skyfall one.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 26 November 2012 00:44 (eleven years ago) link