"Hipster" as pejorative.

(slowly, confusedly, turns gun upon himself, but cannot pull trigger. weeps.)

― Aimless, Saturday, 24 November 2012 01:33 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this seems like a totally out of character post unless what it is being snarky about is the possibility of snark itself

free improv requires a set of grand historical ironies to operate, to even exist, but it seems possible to navigate a path through that mode of music without having much traffic with a lot of various versions of 'irony' day to day

most of the people i know who give 'ironic' gifts are mainly doing it to not have to think about the fact that they're poor

this seems like a totally out of character post

(flashes badge. unscrolls diploma. tweets a pic of poetic license inscribed on parchment. makes 'the fig' gesture. laughs like a loon. smiles like a cherub. flees into the night)

"she was definitely the most likely to fit in on this message board"
one of my favorite things about message boards is talking about someone will sometimes summon that person to appear as if by magic...

tlg, I get that she is probably pretty cool in person, but how do you read the article she wrote while reconciling it with her personality?

i know lots of people with nice personalities who have had occasionally bad ideas about, e.g., irony. i don't really think this is an exceptional sort of thing to happen.

I'm sure we all have friends with nice personalities that are in terrible bands

i have known lots of really nice people who i get along with really well who make terrible art. or are bad writers, poets, sloppy thinkers, etc. its not the end of the world. and it doesn't make me like them less. i just tend to be really critical of art and writing. and i do hold people to a higher standard if they are writing for the times or the new yorker. those places have a track record. if it were someone's blog or a local newspaper...well, i still might make fun of it but it probably wouldn't aggravate me as much. it was sad to see that kid's list thing in the village voice a week or so ago even though i know the voice isn't the voice anymore. not because i hate the kid just cuz he didn't try harder. or try at all. give it your best shot. and i mean that in the most non-ironic way.

maybe the blog things for the nyt or ny just aren't thought of as the same kind of thing. more conversational. off the cuff? i don't know why though. people don't respect the word blog i guess.

scot(t)m

this wasn't just a blog thing, it was on the front page of the Sunday review section, hideous illos and all

I'm sure we all have friends with nice personalities that are in terrible bands

― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, November 23, 2012 10:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

truth bomb

if your art is a representative non-ironic expression of self then it's more difficult to reconcile bad art/nice guy. i mean limp bizkit might be an amiable enough dude on the surface but i don't think he's lying when he said he did it all for the nookie, unless he's being some kind of ironic bizkit.

hipster purgatory

hipster purgative

hipster purim

hipster, purgative, illuminative, unitive

hipster po' boy

sorry, don't feel like working...

gen xer slacks on hipster thread

slack-on-hip is where thomas hardy used to live i think.

cap'n-save-a-christy

“Slim Prospects: The Anorexic Body in the Postmodern Condition.”

I'd eat a hipster poboy

Willie and the hipster po boys are playing
bring a buffalo nickel
stamp your toms

https://twitter.com/starwarsmodern/status/272516625939447809

yeah see it's a stupid argument but when i see something like that i wonder how many of the people against it are too stupid even to grasp the argument? unless that tweet is professed in an ~ironic~ mode i'm not picking up on, in which case fml

swift is more sardonic than ironic imo

a modest proposal was brilliant within the context of its time and culture, because it had true power to shock. The hypocrisy it scourged was so blandly accepted among his intended audience that they were scarcely aware of it. effective irony, as in a modest proposal, implies a positive alternative; in its case, true christian charity.

what positive reality might ironic hipsters imply?

an alternative to materialism?

yeah but most hipsters like thrift stores and flea markets AND fancy bicycles/food/beer/etc. best of both hip worlds.

afaics, hipster irony is only used to imply their own godlike superiority to the object being ironically praised. I say godlike, in that they seek to confer worth upon the worthless through the innate power of their affectionate gaze, implying nothing is truly worthy of the honor so bestowed, but it must be bestowed somewhere, and this dreck is as good as any other.

also do u think there is/was any crossover between popism and hipsters wearing justin bieber shirts?

i don't buy that hipsters ironically wearing shirts w/ corny pop stars on them is a thing because i don't recall ever having personally seen a living example of it, but that could maybe explain at least some cases

see ya i would imagine that what the wampoles of the world see as hipster irony (as described by aimless) is maybe more of a postmodernish blurring of the boundary bw high/low culture, something that, for example, pitchfork openly embraced early in the decade

the wampoles of the world are covered in rain

I think her essay's problem is that she is assuming no intelligent, self-conscious people in the group she's calling hipsters and assumes they exist in every other group

Is flopson a hipster? Yea, but does he still bleed? Yes, he does. Shall it not be a hipster if it bleeds?!?

there seems to be this assumption that oh, they couldn't possibly like that unironically therefore they are ironic, but have we ever really tested that assumption? does any evidence exist to back it up?

sounds like there needs to be another... HIPSTER STUDY

associate prof, dept of hipster studies

the real problem comes w/ the assumption that somewhere out there perfect hipsters exist as objects that you can perform scientific tests on, really hipster is not a noun anymore just an adjective

don't anybody tell iatee of the hipster islands located in puget sound

http://i.imgur.com/laCcr.jpg

if you have heard of it it must not be that cool

what if there's a mix of irony from genuine dickheads, unironic interest from genuine enthusiasts, and commercial interest from people too dumb to know the difference who just ride trends?

kind of feel like the "hipster" she knows of or is criticizing is the mainstreamed #3 who really is too dumb or ignorant (read: young) to do differently. maybe she's overrating people by thinking they understand irony

wish my friend still didn't have the cutesy n + 1 "what was the hipster" pamphlet borrowed from me so I had a reference guide here

or she's writing articles based on other articles she has read instead of people she has actually interacted with

^^ truly the mark of an academic

oh I think we're cutting too close now

xxp but... do people actually even do this? feel like this has not really ever been addressed. i suspect it was maybe an early 00's phenomenon that ended years ago? trucker hats in the cartoons support this hypothesis

also: even if it were ironic--which, granted, a lot of it probably was--who's to say that an ironic disposition isn't an appropriate response to 21st century cultural malaise? seems it would be more effective to suggest something to be enthusiastic about rather than trying to guilt people out of their preferred method of coping with something they might find very depressing

is gawker ironic?

no