"Hipster" as pejorative.

one of Jack Palance's best roles, imho.

"I'm willing to make myself vulnerable and be made fun of online. First, it only confirms my point."

Nice try but nah.

Wonder what Christy is like on Italian and French essayistic fiction...there is a book by Pavese called The Business of Living. Maybe she could've tied it in.

Or maybe not.

Big laughs from Clive Martin over at Vice (again)
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/searching-for-the-sad-trombone-sound-of-irony

lol I'd give Christy this record and ask her to identify they ironies in it:

http://www.emanemdisc.com/images/E4144.jpeg

i can't decide if free improv is an irony-free zone or the most totally ironic mode music could ever exist in

Christy Wampole Ph.D, bathing in the glow of righteous sincerity.

lol

i can't decide if free improv is an irony-free zone or the most totally ironic mode music could ever exist in

depends on your definition of irony. it's certainly not ironic in the "opposite of earnest" sense.

Okay, sorry. Back to the quiz: What percentage of your speech is meaningful?
I’m known to waffle, but whether that’s directly associated with my trombone I don’t know. That’s more of a character trait than a trombone-induced one.

If "meaningful" is supposed to express the idea of "having a discoverable sense, as opposed to nonsense syllables, noises or disjointed fragments", then about 97% of my speech is meaningful. I like to speak in full sentences. It's a feature, not a bug.

If "meaningful" is supposed to express the idea of "having profound implications beyond the immediate context or outside of merely quotidian existance", then only about 0.01% or less of my speech is meaningful in that sense. Quotidian existence is a bitch, but it is what we all do for a living and it is inescapable.

otoh, maybe about 2% of my ilxor speech meets the second definition. It's one of the reasons I hang out here.

I have never heard of her band. This is probably because they only play private parties for their friends and colleagues.

i can't decide if free improv is an irony-free zone or the most totally ironic mode music could ever exist in

i have personally played several highly ironic free improv gigs

in all seriousness I wonder how she envisages a typical conversation between two young adults might have gone in, let's say 1970. possibly it was not as 'meaningful' as she might hope?

thomp - think its a mix. Obv guys like Paul Rutherford came across as the most serious people (he played in a group named after a newspaper that Lenin was involved in - and I don't he had much time for irony), but in the playing itself...what are the ironies of serious play?

Then again I never get irony myself, I don't come across much good writing on it in music.

sarahell - i like your name, v high irony content

i have personally played several highly ironic free improv gigs

^^ potential dn

i think the main issue w/irony re: free improv is that irony relies a lot on assumptions and conventions - so "irony" in a free improv performance would translate differently to an insider vs. the average person.

Doesn't that apply to most types of music? People who play vs listeners watching would have all aspects of its peformance translated differently.

lol, although im thinking there would be a huge gap in assumptions and conventions to a musical perf by Christy's band and what their fans would perceive.

well sure, though Christy's band sounds a lot more similar to popular music - i mean, it's just vanilla indie rock with literary lyrics, so there would be more people who would qualify as "insiders" who are aware of the conventions and assumptions of the genre, than with free improv.

What is ironic about craft beer?

Yeah most people I know who get to that level of beer snobbery are super serious about it

Also it's a fuckload of work

i will occasionally drink craft beer ironically in the sense of "bro it's hilarious that you're serving me this beer that so much thought and care has been put into because you could've pulled literally any beer in the world out of that cooler and i would've downed it with the exact same enthusiasm and result"

enjoy yr clamato

that's not a beer or even alcoholic, you may have the highest failed "zing" rate in ilx history

uh, sure

Bud Light Clamato

(xp to some dude) haha. in some abstract hipstery sense i appreciate the existence of craft beer (in some less abstract human sense, not so much), but yeah, in the end my tastebuds / desire to get drunk operate in such a way that i basically don't care about the taste of beer. cool that u've devoted ur life 2 this bro, now whar's me paint thinner.

oh yikes (xp)

wow whose failed zing rate is ticking up now

petition to replace 'flag post' button with 'failed zing' button.

that was failed butthurt, max, keep up

seems over for some dude

I'd like to announce my resignation, effectively immediately, from this particular boring hipster thread. See you at the next one.

To be fair to some dude, that's Bud Lite *and* Clamato, the combination of which is known as Chelada. Clamato is still non-alcoholic, non-beer.

we would have to invent the christy phds of the world if they didn't exist cuz we need stuff to laugh at or what would the world come to?

it would be nice if reputable papers hired good writers to write stuff but they hardly ever do. this sucks too:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/11/spotify-and-its-discontents.html

hi i don't know know what the fuck i'm talking about but that won't stop me i bought a ryan adams cd in college once.

it's amazing to me that c w is catching so much flack here, not only because she's someone i know, but because of all the national literatures people in my ex-wife's program she was definitely the most likely to fit in on this message board (snarky, highly pop culture aware, prone to pessimism and misanthropy, quite funny)

don't you people get it, c wampole is YOU

the "entitled opinions" dude was one of my ex-wife's PhD advisors for a while, he actually was an insufferable snob and asshole

i know i'm repeating myself here but i am actually smh over here at all this fuss over poor christy

c wampole is YOU

(slowly, confusedly, turns gun upon himself, but cannot pull trigger. weeps.)

"don't you people get it, c wampole is YOU"

i would never write something that bad. i don't doubt that she's nice in person though. why wouldn't she be?

i don't know, having been around humanities academics for a big chunk of my life i've decided a lot of them are insufferably pretentious and/or assholes

a lot of them can't write their way out of a paper bag! which seems "ironic" given their profession.

(slowly, confusedly, turns gun upon himself, but cannot pull trigger. weeps.)

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this seems like a totally out of character post unless what it is being snarky about is the possibility of snark itself

free improv requires a set of grand historical ironies to operate, to even exist, but it seems possible to navigate a path through that mode of music without having much traffic with a lot of various versions of 'irony' day to day

most of the people i know who give 'ironic' gifts are mainly doing it to not have to think about the fact that they're poor

this seems like a totally out of character post

(flashes badge. unscrolls diploma. tweets a pic of poetic license inscribed on parchment. makes 'the fig' gesture. laughs like a loon. smiles like a cherub. flees into the night)

"she was definitely the most likely to fit in on this message board"
one of my favorite things about message boards is talking about someone will sometimes summon that person to appear as if by magic...

tlg, I get that she is probably pretty cool in person, but how do you read the article she wrote while reconciling it with her personality?

i know lots of people with nice personalities who have had occasionally bad ideas about, e.g., irony. i don't really think this is an exceptional sort of thing to happen.

I'm sure we all have friends with nice personalities that are in terrible bands

i have known lots of really nice people who i get along with really well who make terrible art. or are bad writers, poets, sloppy thinkers, etc. its not the end of the world. and it doesn't make me like them less. i just tend to be really critical of art and writing. and i do hold people to a higher standard if they are writing for the times or the new yorker. those places have a track record. if it were someone's blog or a local newspaper...well, i still might make fun of it but it probably wouldn't aggravate me as much. it was sad to see that kid's list thing in the village voice a week or so ago even though i know the voice isn't the voice anymore. not because i hate the kid just cuz he didn't try harder. or try at all. give it your best shot. and i mean that in the most non-ironic way.

maybe the blog things for the nyt or ny just aren't thought of as the same kind of thing. more conversational. off the cuff? i don't know why though. people don't respect the word blog i guess.