Irish politics discussion thread

Yeah I didn't feel like posting details from the other link but they make it clear there that refusing to remove the foetus significantly reduced the chances of the mother surviving.

christ

Awful altogether. Was on march in Dublin yesterday. Didn't last until speeches but from what I read they were very good. Daly had a great speech (maybe without name checking her buds in Daíl but what the hey). Will we see any change? Not sure. I hope so. This does seem to have avoided becoming mired in Pro- or Anti- discussions or maybe I've been missing it. Will we see any movement on that do you all think?

Daly did refer to our national leader as a political pygmy, which was certainly entertaining.

Wondering how well known the Savita case is worldwide. I saw that there was some comment in the Guardian yesterday but didn't read yet. Just a 2nd headline asking if it could happen here, which I assume was U.K. but could conceivably be Northern Ireland.

Utterly disgusting, should have been sorted years ago. Trying to think exactly when the X case was, is it '92? If not it wasn't that much more recent.

& it has had me thinking that I heard that some parts of the U.S. had abortion on the recent election ticket. Like stepping backwards from having a more progressive policy.

Also that a headline from India had Ireland accused of murder over the case

Made most of the news outlets in the UK. Second or third story on the evening news broadcasts.

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This is what's likely to force change here. Irish women dying is one thing, but being embarrassed in public is what focuses politicians minds tbh.

Also wondered about the fate of the pro-lifers who seem to come out in force on Saturdays in Galway and Dublin at least, presumably elsewhere too? Did they get away with it yesterday? Or did people find uses for rotten fruit?

idk i think ppl are getting wise to engaging that set, be it over abortion, the FAMILY, gay marriage or whatever. If ppl start showing in force so that politicians are at least forced to confront what i'd guess to be the silent majority on this, that'd be progress.

There were some pro-lifers on O'Connell street. I don't think there was any real exchange.

OTM re political Pygmy.

I am greatly enjoying transcript of his constituency colleague from Newstalk. It seems to prove that the 'fornication' moment wasn't completely out of character.

Wondering how well known the Savita case is worldwide.
― Stevolende, Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:49 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe i'm posting from inside the internet/ilx bubble, but i think a lot of ppl over here (US) have heard about this

Endabashing seems to miss the point somewhat on this one.

unless you think legislating for this just slipped reynolds, bertie's, bruton's, cowen's minds the past twenty years, and you're hungry for them back besides.

There's room for more than one point though, and to remind FG that being 0.1 % better that FF is not a solid basis for government.

i'd argue the numbers, but i'll grant you the general thrust i spose

No fair enough, but it also works as a warning that the position in question would not be a solid basis for government, so don't go slouching over towards it.

fair warning for any band that take over from despots- don't just do a little better, or we'll slit your throats an all

Ha! I agree about knocking Enda. Too many others ignored this issue.

In Kerry for the night. I have not been asked by a Healy-Rae for a vote. I feel my visit is missing something.

Keeping in the tone of an Irish political thread.

ave that, mrs

fg backbenchers growling over abortion legislation.

Nobody in ireland born after 1963 or so has ever had a say on this matter. That's only about a million women, nbd. Keep grumbling lads, you're doing god's work. For him.

celtic tiger businessman hugh o'regan 'dies unexpectedly' amidst huge debt issues.

idk, y'know?

Are they saying it's suspicious?

I am appalled at the whole Daly Bill thing. Are we to never see legislation?

we will, i think, and it won't be too long coming (i mean 'too long', obv, not 'too long')

ach daly is posturing, too, to an extent. to keep throwing up motions when it's moving as fast as it's going to is just that imo

I think the issue I have with Daly is unfortunately all to do with the company she keeps. It just seems a bit clueless however one cannot choose who one fancies. She is turning into this year's Bacik being almost a "rent-a-speech" but, to be fair, she is a good speaker and, like Bacik, seems very able for the role of leftist agitator.

Of more concern politician-wise is Labour and the whole morphing into the PDs thing. It was to be expected I suppose but it really is surprising how quickly it happened in the end.

I do expect legislation however this anonymous advisory group does worry me. How do we know that there is a proper mix of politics? Does anyone know how they were chosen? I fear that the older, Catholic population would be well-represented with only the token godless lefty in situ.

irish times budget case studyis some serious fuckin trolling, couple combined income 100k, second kid on way 'struggling to get by'

Labour-defending friends on Facebook were saying "Ah god no they couldn't vote against FG, the government might collapse!" and holding up the idea of a FF-FG government as the terrifying bogeyman that might result, as opposed to the long term goal of the Labour party.

idk, yeah i'd love to see the top rate of tax go up 5% and the usc go up double for incomes above 100k and for the property tax to be .3% on all properties worth over 500k and fags to go up by a fiver and spirits by 15%. I just assume that there's reasons they're not doing all this, i can't imagine what they are tho.

ff-fg govt not as good an idea as a ff-fg opposition

there's not too much that appears to affect a couple with combined income of 52k with an 02 skoda renting at 1000 per month, tbh

well they specifically targeted me with the tobacco and wine increases so i hope you're happy

ye cost the health service more iirc, they should subsidise my five a side imo.

im surprised child benefit hasnt been cut

it will be, surely? 10 euro per child.

Ducked out of means testing it tbh

ceann comhairle zing on that cunt mcgrath

i'd be embarrassed to speak in the fuckin jacks of my local the way this one speaks in the dail

lairy moo mcdonald

richard boyd barrett

why can't he talk so good

Adopted as a baby, his natural mother is actress Sinéad Cusack, with whom he was later reunited.[3]

Boyd Barrett is a member of the Trotskyist[10][11] Socialist Workers Party

supported the Rossport Five

In October 2012, Boyd Barrett confirmed that he claimed €12,000 in 2011 expenses for travelling to the Dail from his home in Glenageary, in his Dun Laoghaire constituency -- a distance of just 12km

baby politics, he's playing happily at it

12000 dont even buy hima suit, oooh the rebel

dunno who yerman in between was, but he was ok i think

pringle's a moron an all

Well that was unpleasant. The case studies are a bit odd. To be honest you have to take the firms providing with a huge grain of salt seeing as they have consulting work for state and semi-state bodies in their sights. Don't want to be too pass-remarkable.

It's the sneakiness of some of the cuts that also grates.

I still honestly think the price of fags should be raised properly. I accept that is cruel and totally subjective.

FF-SF for next government. I'm taking the bets now. How has Martin been so adept at rehabilitating FF's image? Has FG really missed the point that they won't/can't last forever? What do all the consultants do?

Of course this whole thing with Ming's jumper is manna from heaven right now for the coalition.

i'd hope that ppl have longer memories than to bring ff back in, i'd hope that ppl are smarter than to srsly consider the basket case that is sf economic policy (which, AFAICT, exists only as the headings written by that cunt editor from the star)

best case scenario is that irish people realise that 3.5bn per annum doesn't come from nowhere, that it did need taking out of the economy regardless of any bailout once revenues had fallen as quickly as they had, and that FG/LAB are going about things methodically and not all that badly (for irish politicians)

o'reilly should have been fucked out on his ear, clearly. labour should have been more honest in their promises/manifesto (when is this never not true). i'm undoubtedly biased but croke park was not a FG/LAB plan and is being renegotiated early to get better terms for the state- really if they bring in a few more supertaxes for superearners and on wealth next year, there's not a lot different a government could feasibly have done, budget wise.

anyone telling you any different would want some seriously convincing backup.

Those pro-life ads popping up targetted at politicians are harsh. It's not often that I would agree with Shatter but there is a real bullying element to it all.

Labour implosion

Or is it Harder, Franker, Furter Gilmour? (Apologies to Scooter)

ah jaysus, there ought to have been a pun tax in the budget

so, look, cmere

Croke Park agreement. What d'ye think of it?