2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

Just having a bit of fun, it doesn't matter who wins, they're all politicians :-)

If Hillary wins in Ohio and loses in Texas (which seems quite possible), can she still win the nom?

a bit of fun

sorry, i'll go now

"Just a bit of fun"

Have these words ever ever been used to describe anything remotely good?

(Spin off from rear-of-the-year musings)

-- Tom, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (6 years ago) Bookmark Link

jesus christ have you people lost your minds?? she begins by saying "absolutely not" and says she understands the kind of smears that are tried against national figures.

before you actually wish the fires of eternal damnation on people can you realize that you are engaging in the kind of bullsh*t meta-parsing scrutiny that NO ONE could EVER stand up to?

yea, i agree with tracer hand here. she was pretty much unequivocal about the whole thing, very adamant that this is completely unsubstantiated.

i admit, the "as far as i know" line was kind of weird, but i think part of the awkwardness that some people might be reading into probably resulted from the fucking stupidity of the question. come on -- there's these underground internet rumors that obama's a crypto-muslim, and then you ask the other main candidate if she buys into those bullshit rumors? have you guys ever been asked something so ridiculous that it's hard to answer without looking partially like a fool because the question, well, was so ridiculous? that's kind of what seemed to me to be the case with this.

oh and apparently some other memo came out about the obama-canadian-NAFTA story, which isn't good for the obama campaign: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/The_Canadian_memo.html

this story seemed to get some traction on the web in the past week, but according to some polls, most ohioans 1.) don't apparently seem much difference between the candidates opinions on NAFTA, 2.)aren't even really sure what those opinions are, and 3.) if anything, see clinton as the more NAFTA-friendly candidate. so i'm not sure how important this obama-canada story is.

don't apparently seem much difference

*see* much difference, obv.

Print the rest of the memo, Ben, where Goolsbee says Obama wants to tighten labo(u)r and environmental standards. Also, as Goolsbee notes, this is was someone's own thoughts--not a quote of Goolsbee himself.

Posted By: David | March 03, 2008 at 09:23 AM

A senior foreign policy adviser to leading Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has told The Nation that if elected Obama will not "rule out" using private security companies like Blackwater Worldwide in Iraq. The adviser also said that Obama does not plan to sign on to legislation that seeks to ban the use of these forces in US war zones by January 2009, when a new President will be sworn in.

...The irony is that it was Senator Obama who sponsored a bill in February 2007 defining a legal structure to prosecute State Department contractor crimes in US courts. Obama staffers say they will "fight like hell to get it passed." But it may not pass before the next President takes power. Even if it does and Bush signs it, serious questions will remain unresolved about how contractor crimes can be monitored effectively. The senior adviser acknowledged that Obama could find himself in a situation where, as President, he continues using forces he himself has identified as "unaccountable." The Obama campaign, in other words, may have painted itself into a corner.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080317/scahill

morbs there is no irony in obama saying he might keep using contractors in iraq and wanting those contractors to be beholden to the rule of law. in fact, he almost certainly has to keep using contractors, they constitute a huge percentage of the coalition forces. it's either contractors or the draft, really.

or maybe the WITHDRAWAL all the naifs are expecting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/opinion/03krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

krugman is crazy

Not awful, but a space filler.

morbs i bet that's what you tell all the guys

deej you think anyone who doesn't carry an obama rosary in their crotch is crazy

i mean, i think he's pretty great but you need to keep your head, otherwise you end up overdoing your own justifications for things he says and wind up advocating first strikes on pakistan

Is Obama a Mac and Clinton a PC?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/technology/04link.html?_r=1&ex=1218517200&oref=slogin

O_o

(What's McCain supposed to be then?)

McCain = UNIVAC, natch

an abacus

http://www.computerhistory.org/internet_history/full_size_images/pdp-8.jpg

xpost

a magic 8-ball

a goddam handgun you fucking pencilnecks

i mean, i think he's pretty great but you need to keep your head, otherwise you end up overdoing your own justifications for things he says and wind up advocating first strikes on pakistan

-- Tracer Hand, Monday, March 3, 2008 10:18 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

nah i feel you, i just dont get where all this clinton enthusiasm is coming from on his part

what clinton enthusiasm? in this column?

http://hillaryclinton.com/video/141.aspx

fuck this

ann richards needs to haunt the fuck out of hillary

Clinton enthusiasm? In my vagina?

(It's more likely than you think!)

when my radio shrieked at me this morning "AND WHO DO YOU TRUST TO FIX HEALTH CARE?" my response was "NOT YOU, BEEEEYATCH!"

(-- insert random link to vacuous obama ad/"controversial" obama rumor)

I'VE FINALLY HAD ENOUGH, HIS VERY SCENT MAKES ME ILL

daria you're still logged into tracer hand's account

tucker carlson says hillary clinton is a neocon!

ethan i'm logged into everyone's account. i, daria am actually the only other real person here besides you.

'real'

ok wtf whatever dude

very adamant that this is completely unsubstantiated

no, see the answer is that obama is not a muslim, or that he is a christian, not that rumors of his islamist radicalism are 'unsubstantiated', with only the faintest whiff of faux-naif enjoyment.

rumors that hillary beats her husband are completely unsubstantiated, of course

i mean, if she wants to be the serious, experienced candidate, maybe she should stop being, you know, juvenile

but once again, anything she doesn't believe to try to get a reaction. Hillary Clinton for Best Troll 2008.

love that this is the main picture on my google news page, it makes it look like obama's casting a spell

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/03/02/barackobama_wideweb__470x336,0.jpg

esp when its all crunched down to a smaller size so the ceiling looks like its swirling around him

compare http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/15744.JPG

if an electorate want to be a serious, experienced body of informed and purposeful opinion maybe it should stop these kinds of juvenile mind-reading games

yeah, so should every english lit dept

KROFT: “You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?”

CLINTON: “Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.”

you think that exchange helps your argument?

well it certainly doesn't help yours!

The answer is "Of course not." Not “Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.” She knows better than to actually smirk.

It certainly does.

wait dude i found a new angle! when asked if she DIDN'T believe that obama was a muslim she said NO which means she DOES!!

i don't know what the american people would do without these trenchant analyses