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"Nice, brod!"
"Thanks! I had the manuscripts pulled out of the fire this morning."
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 November 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GWGouymBxk
― this update fixes the following known sugs (Jon Lewis), Friday, 9 November 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
aero how do you feel about ted hughes burning sylvia plath's diaries?
I used to be like most Plath fanboys in high school about this (i.e. Ted you monster) and then this year I was reading more stuff about Plath and her attitude toward parenting and I guess Ted's claim is "the children really didn't need to ever hear that shit"? Paris Review, Spring 1995:
INTERVIEWERWould you talk about burning Plath’s journals?HUGHESWhat I actually destroyed was one journal that covered maybe two or three months, the last months. And it was just sad. I just didn’t want her children to see it, no. Particularly her last days.
Would you talk about burning Plath’s journals?
HUGHES
What I actually destroyed was one journal that covered maybe two or three months, the last months. And it was just sad. I just didn’t want her children to see it, no. Particularly her last days.
which seems like a decent reason to destroy them.
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:02 (eleven years ago) link
aero, have you read Janet Malcolm's book on Plath?
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
but then again
On the other hand Assia was probably behind Hughes’ burning of Plath’s final diary, the cause of great ill feeling toward Hughes among Plath scholars and enthusiasts, because she could not live with the hatred Plath expressed toward her there. She may also have found evidence that Plath’s original plan was to take her children with her in death, as in the Ariel poem “Edge.” (Koren and Negev quote a friend of Mrs. Plath’s to this effect.)
from here, a review of a book about a woman with whom Hughes had an affair. Who also committed suicide, using the same method Plath did.
xp no, I haven't
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:10 (eleven years ago) link
Am I reading you correctly that you haven't read any Kafka or Plath since high school?
― boxall, Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
he hasn't read a book since high school
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:16 (eleven years ago) link
books were mainly a high school thing for me
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
Recording deep cuts on Rock and a Hard Place distracted him.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
it's okay, man, i've never even read a book
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
serious answer - no, I haven't read Kafka since I was a teenager. Plath I return to every few years. Her journals aren't her work, she prepared Ariel for publication iirc, there's controversy over the order I think but she had it in MS
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
unless archie double digest counts
though i never did read that unpublished archie ghostwritten by sylvia plath that got leaked to the internet a couple years back
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
from what i understand it was the bleakest jughead/big ethel shit though
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
Kafka's one of my blind spots. Every time I remind myself to reread him I go, "I will. What's for dinner?"
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
he would have approved of your basic indifference
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
i basically had to read all the major kafkas three times to 'get' them but it's totally worth it.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it was almost...kafkaesque
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:26 (eleven years ago) link
archie's world is pretty kafkaesque anyway
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:27 (eleven years ago) link
perpetual adolescents trapped in the same banal routine for 60 years, overseen by indifferent higher powers
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:28 (eleven years ago) link
good description of ILX
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
good description of life imo
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:31 (eleven years ago) link
but then i'm pretty kafkaesque
http://www.boingboing.net/filesroot/200912211140.jpg
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:31 (eleven years ago) link
omg
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's classic
― Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 10 November 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:19 (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yahhh this shit is way more heinous on hughes' part than burning diaries tbh?
― Yorkshire lass born and bred, that's me, said Katriona's hologram. (thomp), Saturday, 10 November 2012 01:20 (eleven years ago) link
like i think diaries should remain out of the public sphere unless their author seems particularly to be invested in their becoming part of the public sphere, whatever
plath's ordering for ariel kind of creates a sequence in which i. the speaker is deeply unhappy specifically because she's realised her husband is a bastard ii. she comes to some kind of independence, dignity, progress; hughes' version turns it into founding document of the sylvia plath myth, makes her romantically destined for suicide due to her own chemistry
― Yorkshire lass born and bred, that's me, said Katriona's hologram. (thomp), Saturday, 10 November 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
n.b. plath may have been destined for suicide due to her own chemistry, i don't know that and no one does, the point is she didn't write a book about that. (and being abandoned by the father of her children, leaving her with two children and no real income, probably didn't help.)
― Yorkshire lass born and bred, that's me, said Katriona's hologram. (thomp), Saturday, 10 November 2012 01:24 (eleven years ago) link
http://threewordphrase.com/gregor.gif
― s.clover, Saturday, 10 November 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
lolol
― six possible reasons why Obama won. Some are truly chilling. (bernard snowy), Saturday, 10 November 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
I can't separate Cheever and Woolf's diaries from their achievements though :(
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
cheever wanted his published, which was tbh itself kind of an asshole move
― Yorkshire lass born and bred, that's me, said Katriona's hologram. (thomp), Saturday, 10 November 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know anything about Woolf's diaries and from the tone of Alfred's post I'm glad that I don't 'cause her books are great
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
I meant her diaries are as great as her novels.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
O I thought the frowny face meant you couldn't make the separation and you wish you could
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
When someone asks which Woolf to read I say To the Lighthouse, Orlando, The Waves and A Writer's Diary.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
what about the diary of anne frank?
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
did Anne Frank have a friend who she explicitly asked to make sure her diary be destroyed?
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 01:37 (eleven years ago) link
anne frank wanted her diaries to be published -- she actually went back and rewrote earlier entries that she didn't think were good enough.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 01:54 (eleven years ago) link
wish I could find the Cynthia Ozick essay about Anne Frank.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 01:57 (eleven years ago) link
I cannot stop laughing at that last Gregor samsa comic
― Lamborghini mercy, yo sledge she's so percy (m bison), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 02:03 (eleven years ago) link
I have not read Kafka since high school which I loved at the time, but I want to read it again since I may be able to appreciate the humor more as a well adjusted adult than when I was a brooding teenager
― Lamborghini mercy, yo sledge she's so percy (m bison), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 02:05 (eleven years ago) link
it being the trial or Amerika or the shrt stories
A broding teen
― sleepingbag, Tuesday, 13 November 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
aero dunno if you're still lurking this thread but I'm curious if you have established directives for the disposition of the undoubtedly extensive analog & digital materials associated with Aerosmith's creative process, vis a vis archiving/burning/cynical-easy-buck-making.
― Infamous dickbiscuits (silby), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
in general I find the weirdnesses of artistic executorship fascinating. My favorite thing to think about is the Beckett estate's extremely active interest in ensuring that productions of his plays adhere to his directions. The estate recently failed to halt a production of Godot with female cast members, but as the article says, succeeded in that line in the past.
― Infamous dickbiscuits (silby), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 02:47 (eleven years ago) link
am still pissed at Beckett's estate for nixing the all-Chuckle-Brother production of Happy Days
― only Brod can judge me (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
FK was such a miserable awful person that I really can't be bothered caring what he might've wanted. Did he order Milena to destroy his letters to her? Unlikely, as that might've necessitated normal decent behaviour. Fuck that guy, man
― albvivertine, Tuesday, 13 November 2012 03:44 (eleven years ago) link
OTOH: Publishing a desperately mentally ill person's writings c/d
― albvivertine, Tuesday, 13 November 2012 03:46 (eleven years ago) link