Thinking about Davis and Buono trading underthings, maybe.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 17:31 (thirteen years ago)
i wonder why it's always women who are basically train wrecks that become gay icons (dietrich, garland, et al)
― happy little (clouds), Thursday, 1 November 2012 17:46 (thirteen years ago)
Because men who are train wrecks would cut too close to the bone.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:01 (thirteen years ago)
Not a huge fan of Baby Jane, but I've Written a Letter to Daddy always cracks me up just thinking abt it.
― Room 227 (cryptosicko), Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:28 (thirteen years ago)
Have been wracking my brain trying to think of examples of gay cult movie classics that I don't like, but it turns out I at least like almost all of them. *shrugs*
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:33 (thirteen years ago)
. a status quo of awkwardly not mentioning things is easy but not very satisfactory and more stressful than you think; sometimes you need a catalyst, a bombshell to lay your cards on the table and deliver a needed ultimatum.
That's why I was so relieved! No tears shed. A sort of clarity.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:27 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^ this is a generally true statement about relationships generally not just families (like - i read this while skimming backwards to the beginning of posts I hadn't read and before I saw what it was actually about I identified with it very strongly)
um. most of my family is totally wonderful and all know, but the three remaining 70+ year olds in my mom's family (the elderly egyptian matriarchs/patriarchs) don't know, though their more tolerant/less harsh spouses do. there's an uncomfortable detente where we just kind of dance around the issue when they're around but i don't know what I would do if it ever came to a head. if JF had ended up being around for the next big family event in march, it would have turned into a confrontation, but i've dodged a bullet there. so, yeah, i'm not sure what i would do if the unpleasantness was that close to home i.e. immediate family.
hugs alfred. I think you did what you needed to do, and hopefully he'll come around once reality sets in for him a bit. we care about you!
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:47 (thirteen years ago)
xp Oh, what's the one I like the best? Oh yeah, "Boom!" That movie is great.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:51 (thirteen years ago)
The Apple is the only Al0nso Durald3 approved title that I can think of that I outright hate.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:53 (thirteen years ago)
Five years ago I was staying at a gay friend's house while he was away, a cool Londoner, and looking through his DVDs, I said "oh they made a film version of Myra Breckenridge, I didn't know that". I watched it, loved it, thought, "huh! who would've thought that cool book would've made such a great film!" Then I googled it ("worst movie of all time!" etc.) and was confused
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:54 (thirteen years ago)
whaaAAAAT? xp
― these wilburys taste like wilburys (donna rouge), Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:54 (thirteen years ago)
i watched part of myra breckenridge while recuperating from oral surgery and kept nodding off from the percocet, it was very confusing to me
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:57 (thirteen years ago)
i fell asleep watching it. it's a mess but mae west has some good lines
― these wilburys taste like wilburys (donna rouge), Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:58 (thirteen years ago)
The Apple is anti-disco. Hence, I am anti-The Apple.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 19:05 (thirteen years ago)
sorry, the 'whaaaAAAAT?' was my liz taylor in 'boom' imitation
― these wilburys taste like wilburys (donna rouge), Thursday, 1 November 2012 19:11 (thirteen years ago)
lol
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 19:12 (thirteen years ago)
ha ha I love it so much
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 1 November 2012 19:22 (thirteen years ago)
i couldn't get through that one. maybe i'll give it another try. i did enjoy john waters on Boom though.
as an aside i once saw rupert everett play the liz taylor part in a stage version of "the milk train..." and he totally played the whole thing to me in the second row of the audience. it was weird but i've seen actors do that before (and worked with them because i sometimes design for the theatre) - they single someone out of the audience and play it to them alone. this was about 15 years ago though.
― jed_, Thursday, 1 November 2012 23:53 (thirteen years ago)
"shit on your mother, JED_"
― these wilburys taste like wilburys (donna rouge), Friday, 2 November 2012 00:12 (thirteen years ago)
aw you guys are great. Radio silence so far, which is fine. I've decided to sever ties unless we move to the negotiating table.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 November 2012 00:18 (thirteen years ago)
How's your relationship with your mom?
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Friday, 2 November 2012 00:29 (thirteen years ago)
Warmer, although the intimacy b/w Dad and me is a recent phenomenon. The last time I confronted her about The Gay Thing prompted a fumbled boilerplate response ("As you know we don't support it"). But if anyone's going to call in the next 48 hours it's her, and she's gonna get it.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 November 2012 00:30 (thirteen years ago)
that's charming, DONNA.
― jed_, Friday, 2 November 2012 01:01 (thirteen years ago)
I can't think of another gay cult movie that is actually a splendid second-tier film by the great Robert Aldrich. Also, it is not campy but FUNNY, in part. (As we know the two are generally exclusive.) And Victor Buono was a peach.
Also goonie don't feel like a pariah for your take on "Breckenridge," cuz you and John Waters are all wet on "Boom!" as well. It's amusing once but God what a turd.
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2012 01:07 (thirteen years ago)
Here's hoping she calls.
You know, and I'm not specifically speaking abt Alfred and his family, whom I obvious don't know and thus do not know the specific dynamics of, but I just don't get parents who hate homosexuality (something that, as heteros, has nothing to do with them and thus need not concern them) more than they love and support their own children. Possibly I sound like some naive hippie here, and undoubtedly my viewpoint is coloured by my not having grown up in a religious family, or one with seemingly and position on homosexuality at all (my pointlessly delayed coming out process was met with an anticlimactic, and most welcome, shrug, at least as far as I can tell*), but I can't see putting anything above my kids when I have them. Believe me, were i a Hetero parent of a gay kid, I'd be the type who'd slug Rick Santorum right in the face and tell him exactly why (kinda disappointed in all the PFLAGers in the USA that this hasn't happened yet, come to think of it). So yeah, UGH at the world right now.
*the first family thing I brought my bf to was my sisters wedding, which thus became, in a sense, the big coming out to the extended family. Not knowing how some relatives would react, my mom expressed concern about me bringing him. My sister's response: she would personally tell to fuck off anyone who gave us shit at her own wedding. Luckily, his was never necessary.
― Room 227 (cryptosicko), Friday, 2 November 2012 01:17 (thirteen years ago)
I can't think of another gay cult movie that is actually a splendid second-tier film by the great Robert Aldrich.
Yes!
Also, it is not campy but FUNNY, in part.
(As we know the two are generally exclusive.)
You have a real knack.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Friday, 2 November 2012 01:35 (thirteen years ago)
2 ouuta 3 aint bad, honeybunch
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2012 02:05 (thirteen years ago)
Every time you call me that, I picture myself dressed up as a box of Honey Bunches of Oats.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Friday, 2 November 2012 05:14 (thirteen years ago)
full disclosure, I stole it from Dana Andrews in Daisy Kenyon
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2012 12:18 (thirteen years ago)
Not every night you get free tickets to (and attend both) Joel Hodgson doing a one-man show and Madonna doing an approximately 200+ man/woman show. Nice night!
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Sunday, 4 November 2012 08:19 (thirteen years ago)
Wasn't Madonna fab?? I loooooved that show. I went to a rad fae pajama party last night that turned into Eyes Wide Shut at some point and then got home at 7am. It was intersting.
― bell biv devo (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 4 November 2012 16:41 (thirteen years ago)
and then you sobbingly said to nicole kidman "i'll tell you everything!"
― doubting tuomas (clouds), Sunday, 4 November 2012 17:27 (thirteen years ago)
drowning in AFI fest screenings, including the new xavier dolan (good not great)
― these wilburys taste like wilburys (donna rouge), Sunday, 4 November 2012 20:03 (thirteen years ago)
New? Oh. Isn't that like a year old by now or something? Do you mean Lawrence Anyways? It was ok. Too long and by the halfway point I felt like we no longer had the perspective of the title character. It often felt more like the protagonist was Lawrence's ex and not her. :/
It had its moments though.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 4 November 2012 20:18 (thirteen years ago)
I'm off to the train station to go to Toronto for 24 hours for a job interview. After a somewhat productive Wednesday to Friday the weekend was a wash and I have SO MUCH STUFF DUE soon.
A day ago I thought I had had an epiphany and was more or less over the breakup and then last night went out gay dancing and remembered how anxiety inducing being in rooms full of cute boys is.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 4 November 2012 20:20 (thirteen years ago)
I know few songs that depict this anxiety better than:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJs1VNxfq4c
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 November 2012 20:31 (thirteen years ago)
I've done pretty well bottling that anxiety lately. Of course it helps that I'm always always there "with friends."
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Sunday, 4 November 2012 20:41 (thirteen years ago)
FWIW, here are the few thoughts I wrote down for my co-worker's blog on the Madonna concert:
What makes Madonna such a compelling artistic force? First and foremost, her blond ambition, which throughout her career has usually reared its perfectly-coiffed head most decisively during the moments everyone has been primed to finally write her off as passé.So even as she releases new material that, for all its scattered merits, can't hope to stand up against her impressive back catalog ("I guess I'll just end up another 100-hit wonder," joked comedian-impersonator James Adomian, playing Madonna in a recent episode of Adult Swim's <i>Children's Hospital</i>), you could never accuse her of using her greatest hits as a creative crutch in concert. If anything, she sometimes comes off as though they're holding her back. I couldn't help but feel a little bit sorry for the hundreds and hundreds of soccer moms I saw roving in packs at the X, dressed up in their love of "Material Girl"-era Ciccone, clad in fishnets and denim. Just because Madonna hasn't been in the Twin Cities since before the Berlin Wall fell didn't mean she was going to play catch-up with Minnesotans clamoring for a fresh (but not too fresh) take on "Holiday."Her setlist Saturday night featured nearly all of the dozen songs from her newest album <i>MDMA</i> (an OK-ish collection that, while certainly no <em>Like a Prayer</em>, is also pretty far from <i>Hard Candy</i>), and many of the hits that peppered the evening were flipped, remixed, inverted, or mashed up into … well, lets just say few in the room were singing along karaoke-style to her tour version of "Hung Up."Most of her creative energy had clearly gone into envisioning gloriously dark scenarios for the likes of "Gang Bang," a visceral, gruesome depiction of perpetual violence that, to my twisted sensibilities, was the highlight of her new material. Though I also greatly appreciated the massive flying drumline that accompanied "Give Me All Your Luvin," in part because they drowned out the actual song. Also, though it was mainly used as an opportunity to give Madonna a breather and costume change, the montage-blitzkrieg video presentation accompanying "Nobody Knows Me" (from <i>American Life</i>) blows through practically every available provocation before concluding with a heart-stopping series of slides commemorating the too brief lives of gay teens who committed suicide (a declarative exclamation point coming just off the heels of her "Vote No" command).To say it's a grueling program would be an understatement, both conceptually as well as physically. "I made it through the wilderness" might stand as the signpost refrain of the evening, as the newly twice-divorced 54-year-old, having invited the audience to take a look at the bruises on her backside, climbed atop a piano and slowly, deliberately savored the bitter ironies within the lyrics of "Like a Virgin." While she never completely lost her sense of humor (as when she motioned to her fans in the pit to toss her a few dollars), she also clearly utilized the tune -- among her most effervescent, adolescent songs -- to take a fearless plunge into the abyss of accrued time. If the payoff is wisdom and life experience, the price is self-awareness. Which, of course, is not something Madonna has ever lacked.
So even as she releases new material that, for all its scattered merits, can't hope to stand up against her impressive back catalog ("I guess I'll just end up another 100-hit wonder," joked comedian-impersonator James Adomian, playing Madonna in a recent episode of Adult Swim's <i>Children's Hospital</i>), you could never accuse her of using her greatest hits as a creative crutch in concert. If anything, she sometimes comes off as though they're holding her back. I couldn't help but feel a little bit sorry for the hundreds and hundreds of soccer moms I saw roving in packs at the X, dressed up in their love of "Material Girl"-era Ciccone, clad in fishnets and denim. Just because Madonna hasn't been in the Twin Cities since before the Berlin Wall fell didn't mean she was going to play catch-up with Minnesotans clamoring for a fresh (but not too fresh) take on "Holiday."
Her setlist Saturday night featured nearly all of the dozen songs from her newest album <i>MDMA</i> (an OK-ish collection that, while certainly no <em>Like a Prayer</em>, is also pretty far from <i>Hard Candy</i>), and many of the hits that peppered the evening were flipped, remixed, inverted, or mashed up into … well, lets just say few in the room were singing along karaoke-style to her tour version of "Hung Up."
Most of her creative energy had clearly gone into envisioning gloriously dark scenarios for the likes of "Gang Bang," a visceral, gruesome depiction of perpetual violence that, to my twisted sensibilities, was the highlight of her new material. Though I also greatly appreciated the massive flying drumline that accompanied "Give Me All Your Luvin," in part because they drowned out the actual song. Also, though it was mainly used as an opportunity to give Madonna a breather and costume change, the montage-blitzkrieg video presentation accompanying "Nobody Knows Me" (from <i>American Life</i>) blows through practically every available provocation before concluding with a heart-stopping series of slides commemorating the too brief lives of gay teens who committed suicide (a declarative exclamation point coming just off the heels of her "Vote No" command).
To say it's a grueling program would be an understatement, both conceptually as well as physically. "I made it through the wilderness" might stand as the signpost refrain of the evening, as the newly twice-divorced 54-year-old, having invited the audience to take a look at the bruises on her backside, climbed atop a piano and slowly, deliberately savored the bitter ironies within the lyrics of "Like a Virgin." While she never completely lost her sense of humor (as when she motioned to her fans in the pit to toss her a few dollars), she also clearly utilized the tune -- among her most effervescent, adolescent songs -- to take a fearless plunge into the abyss of accrued time. If the payoff is wisdom and life experience, the price is self-awareness. Which, of course, is not something Madonna has ever lacked.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Sunday, 4 November 2012 20:42 (thirteen years ago)
Oops, HTML.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Sunday, 4 November 2012 20:43 (thirteen years ago)
Alex- yeah, Laurence Anyways. He's working on his next film already. Agree with your assessment but I did really love the ex.
― these wilburys taste like wilburys (donna rouge), Sunday, 4 November 2012 20:53 (thirteen years ago)
I just posted a whole ton of stuff in thread of ballroom chants, vogueing beats, and associated cuntiness (MikeQ, B. Ames, Vjuan Allure, Jay Karan, etc.) in case you want want to get your spin, dip, and duckwalk on.
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Sunday, 4 November 2012 21:33 (thirteen years ago)
i came out to my parents this week. went very well... no one was shocked.
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 5 November 2012 02:11 (thirteen years ago)
Hey congratulations that is awesome news!! Good on your parents!
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 5 November 2012 02:24 (thirteen years ago)
yay!
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Monday, 5 November 2012 02:30 (thirteen years ago)
yeah, i'm def lucky
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 5 November 2012 02:31 (thirteen years ago)
congrats, J!
doncha all just love the non-shocked response?
― Room 227 (cryptosicko), Monday, 5 November 2012 02:38 (thirteen years ago)
Excellent! Congrats!
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 November 2012 02:40 (thirteen years ago)
Neat! I wish I could do it again. I may still.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Monday, 5 November 2012 02:51 (thirteen years ago)
i make a point of coming out every day by using some strategically-placed gender-specific pronouns.
― doubting tuomas (clouds), Monday, 5 November 2012 04:06 (thirteen years ago)
congrats jordan, well done
it does feel better, doesn't it?
I just recall that, as awkward as it is leading up to it, that it takes a certain crouched / cramped psychic dynamic and unfolds it and lets you breathe a little easier (says the person whose parents were-- mostly-- cool about it). There will be awkward follow up conversations galore, but still, way to go
― the tune was space, Monday, 5 November 2012 04:10 (thirteen years ago)
yay j0rdan!
so many hugs and smiles for you.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 5 November 2012 04:15 (thirteen years ago)