Moneyball won't win the Premiership 2012-13

iirc, and i'm open to correction, carragher had a notable aversion to those foreigners takin our jobs and not loving a good english challenge in training, this has or has not come up before? Not racist, tbf, but his way of helpin the softy interloping senegalese newcomers was to try to injure them as a means of showing them the ropes, bulldog bulldog bulldog ave that i'm british me . With specific ref to 'trying to help everyone at the club' or w/e it's a point worth noting in an ilx context, not sure it stands out like a sore thumb or anything- if spurs had ever had the brains to have a brick-thick-kicker-shithouse central stopper in their team who'd had similar allegations against them, i wouldn't find it strange were it to come up now and again on this very board.

Carra's self mythologising gangster doorman hardman man's man of the people persona (v much backed by his autobiog, here) also makes it fun to imagine his delivery in the above exchange. I'd like to read his account of it, his eyes narrowing, his hands dropping to the phone at his hip, daring king to elaborate on his implied criticism, mates at the ready, people who know people who know bootle, itching to give out a kicking to anyone making sly references about kop legend redbleeder jamie kingpin carragher.

This instinct is mainly fictional. But it's fun, y'know. Noel Gallagher doesn't even have robbie fowler's number.

allegations? song made fun of him so he fouled him.

RACIST.

it's almost as if... one person disliked another who publicly mocked him

also let's not forget rigobert song was obv one of the great defenders of his era

bulldog bulldog bulldog ave that i'm british me .

And he calls himself a Scouser?

idk, seems like a fella can't even intentionally injure a teammate anymore without his motives being questioned.

time was you could kick a cameroonian in(to) the street

all worth it for onimo's post mind you

does ilf need an is this racist thread

they're rivals for the same position and he had been running his mouth off (and he's shit.) big deal if carragher then hacked him. as if that kind of thing is unheard of in sport. hardly means he's a racist given there's a clear reason for why he did it. but you know he's working class, must hate black people, keep fighting the good fight, guys.

already stated that we don't 'know' he's racist

but let's make him deny it etc

yeah i don't think being a hard cunt central defender is noteworthy, but the self-mythologizing stuff about lucas neill and song is fucking risible

the original interview where the interviewer tries and amusingly fails to establish a protegé relationship between carragher and wisdom

King: How big an influence has Jamie been on you?

Wisdom: I wouldn’t say I have modelled myself on him…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2225533/Andre-Wisdom-Liverpool-legend-says-Jamie-Carragher.html

idk, and i'm wary of bringing it near the flame of ilx/ilf, but i'd not be cheering on the assault of anyone just because it probably wasn't racist, either, i mean physical violence is not far off in terms of abhorrence to me personally

xpost so much clutching at straws here over what was basically just lol he's probably racist too, from a totally innocuous comment. the only prejudice is assuming he's racist for no reason because of his "mythology", aka because he's working class.

are you saying i'm classist based on an innocuous comment?

oh for heaven's sake it's just a bit of ilx lolracism 'edgy' 'humour', if you can't take the bantz stay out of the bitchin

some of my very best friends are lower order types. All terribly racist, mind, but they can't help it, probably.

ilf bantz

"Contenderizer walked on to the gender issues thread with a smile on his face. He was skulking off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a vaguely misogynist implication with greater appetite. 'You're not fucking laughing now, are you, you sophistic cunt?'

are you saying i'm classist based on an innocuous comment?

just can't find a reason why you think he's racist, and then your justification made even more nasty assumptions and made it worse.

i'm not calling you anything but it wouldn't be particularly hard to just say "yeah there's no actual reason for calling him racist".

uncanny, nakh. uncanny.

iirc, and i'm open to correction, carragher had a notable aversion to those foreigners takin our jobs and not loving a good english challenge in training, this has or has not come up before? Not racist, tbf, but his way of helpin the softy interloping senegalese newcomers was to try to injure them as a means of showing them the ropes, bulldog bulldog bulldog ave that i'm british me

cos a british player is definitely the first name that comes to mind when you think of the church of this ethos. i phoned the gaffer and he agreed it was ridiculous.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2226112/Chelsea-racism-row-Club-launch-probe-picture-appears-fan-making-monkey-gesture-Manchester-United-striker-Danny-Welbeck.html

ilfa enquiry into allegations that carragher was subjected to racist bantz

8-match bantz for you

http://i.imgur.com/0EkFt.png

i was only copy and pasting what i thought he'd said!

http://i.imgur.com/kLH9U.gif

Tend to think we have about six or seven stock English footballer personalities we rotate according to who deserves it most and Carragher is getting the JT at the moment.

lol reserve to the last eh

carra in no way deserves comparison to jt.

i'd agree there tbh, as a possible racist he's nowhere near jt or suarez, and as a violent thug he's still some way behind the former.

Also he's from Liverpool so he is not the British Bulldog type either

i'm not fully au fait tbh

Liverpool >>>>>>>>> England > Britain

everton for carra

Liverpool the city I meant

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/K7nj9MvcOmn8Z2e0Xt3AsQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptussowexperts/keane1.jpg

Good to see Robbie's making an impact in the MLS.

About as well known as Robbie Williams

not in ireland's next friendly squad, hopefully a sign of things to come

Hey when these retirement home guys come here they say they like being able to walk down the street like a normal person so idk what the big deal is.

people in retirement homes always reminisce about what they used to be able to do in the street iirc

missed an xpost with ronan earlier, just ftr i don't think carragher's racist, and i'm not even sure that i attempted to 'justify' saying that he was, other than pointing out that he injured r song on purpose as a direct link to the point in question, that he maybe didn't help out 'all the players' at the club as much as he'd have you believe. the rest is obv bantz.

risible. if there's not enough lolracism "bantz" around at the minute without having to extrapolate something out of a tedious carragher non-comment then idk.

idk if that's for me or lg tbh

lol, not saying I'm in agreement with it, fully, but how could you think that comment was meant for LG?

idk, there's an argument that lg has gone off on one based on not much more than a 'tedious carragher non-comment' (ie nothing more than v typical ilf funpoking)

in a very lg way, love the guy and his work obv